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[–] PugJesus@piefed.social 2 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

If the US really cared about nuclear proliferation, it would start by reducing its own nuclear arsenal. It would pressure Israel to denuclearize. It would deescalate with China so they’d have less incentive to increase their nuclear stockpile.

The point of preventing nuclear proliferation is, by definition, to prevent the spread of nuclear weapons to non-nuclear states precisely because of how difficult it is to convince a country to denuclearize.

[–] humanamerican@lemmy.zip 1 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

So a country going from 50 nukes to 100 isn't proliferation?

Putting key words in bold in your comment doesn't prove your point.

Anyway, recent history tells anyone who's paying attention that if the US has you on their shit list, te last thing you should do is give up your weapons programs. Contrast Iraq and Libya with North Korea, for instance.

The US is not a force for peace or progress, regardless of who is in charge here. Dems are better than Reps at masking our Imperial ambitions, but either way we make things worse. We should stop meddling in foreign affairs and fix our problems at home.

[–] PugJesus@piefed.social 1 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

So a country going from 50 nukes to 100 isn’t proliferation?

Literally, it is not.

Nuclear proliferation is the spread of nuclear weapons to additional countries, particularly those not recognized as nuclear-weapon states by the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons, commonly known as the Non-Proliferation Treaty or NPT. Nuclear proliferation occurs through the spread of fissile material, and the technology and capabilities needed to produce it and to design and manufacture nuclear weapons. In a modern context, it also includes the spread of nuclear weapons to non-state actors. Proliferation has been opposed by many nations with and without nuclear weapons, as governments fear that more countries with nuclear weapons will increase the possibility of nuclear warfare (including the so-called countervalue targeting of civilians), de-stabilize international relations, or infringe upon the principle of state sovereignty.

Putting key words in bold in your comment doesn’t prove your point.

Apparently it didn't emphasis them enough, considering you still failed to understand.

Anyway, recent history tells anyone who’s paying attention that if the US has you on their shit list, te last thing you should do is give up your weapons programs. Contrast Iraq and Libya with North Korea, for instance.

Yes, I'm sure that if Iraq had only kept producing chemical weapons the 2003 invasion would never have happened, and if only Gadaffi had kept his 40-year-failure going another ten years, then his people definitely wouldn't have rose up against him, and there would be no way that any country could use air power against im!

That you think North Korea is a positive example in this situation is fucking telling.

[–] humanamerican@lemmy.zip 1 points 35 minutes ago* (last edited 29 minutes ago)

Literally, it is not.

I was unaware of the technical definition. Point conceded.

That you think North Korea is a positive example in this situation is fucking telling.

What does it tell you, exactly? I didn't praise North Korea. I used them as an example of a country the US would love to wipe out but can't easily because they have leverage, including nuclear weapons.

And as for Iraq and Libya, both countries had been pursing nuclear weapons. Libya gave up their program. Iraq attacked Kuwait before finishing theirs. It didn't turn out well for either of them.

Regardless, my point this whole time has been that the US doesn't need to be involved in every place in the world. To the extent that some of these places are threats to its people, that's because we have been antagonizing them for decades.

And to the extent that some of these places lack freedom and democracy, we should try getting those concepts right in our own country before exporting them.

But you and I both know that's not why the US does what it does. Its all about hegemony and ensuring Western capital's unhindered access to markets.

EDIT: Removed some unnecessary snark