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Taking out Khamenei like this is the best gift America could have given Khamenei's extremists. He is now an eternal martyr. A "victim" of America. It's gonna be so easy for extremists to indoctrinate children.
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Khamenei and Ahmadinejad dying are the only good things that came from this war. If the IRGC manages to bomb Trump or Netanyahu tomorrow, I'd be happy too.
Not that I condone blatantly illegal wars or strikes, not that I think that killing 160 schoolchildren is okay, but seeing tyrants die sparks joy in my heart.
That’d be an interesting news day
We're supposed to be happy that some Iranian dictator died? ... I think for most people that is bullshit. Most of us have almost zero connection to that country, we don't know the history, and that's OK, but it also means we don't need to have strong views about the moral character of its former leader. We can speculate that he was a piece of work, and maybe that's true, but there's also tons of CIA propaganda, so we'd have to do real research to find out what the truth is before making any serious judgement.
Honestly, the death of Khomenei is a silver lining in all of this crazy bullshit. We all know this attack is unconstitutional, illegal, unethical and driven by bad motives involving Israel and their goal of colonizing the whole area.
It's like the death of Saddam Hussein in Iraq. Will the outcome be the same as in Iraq after Saddam's death? Only time will tell. But I hope for the sake of everybody that Iran will keep standing up against the U.S. and Israel. Though, I'm fairly pessimistic.
And those 100 school girls?
Dont let the narrative turn into “It was about killing a tyrant”. It is about a tyrant distracting us from Epstein and starting a war to cancel the next elections.
When one piece of shit evil tyrant kills another piece of shit evil tyrant, it's hard to know how to feel. On the one hand, I'm glad one of them is dead. On the other hand, the one who survived is working to destroy the world and now faces one fewer obstacle. Maybe I will defer celebration until they're both wormfood.
Shouldn't every single person celebrating Khamenei's death get permabanned according to Reddit's policies, just like the ones who did the same for the healthcare CEO or Charlie Kirk?
There’s a reason we (read sane countries, which the us is not, at the moment ) haven’t offed this guy sooner.
It’s going to cause a lot more harm than good. It won’t create regime change, it’s just gonna make the douche a martyr.
Same reason I’m not advocating Trump getting offed.
And like Trump? … well I’ll mourn the guy’s life and celebrate his death.
trump should just choke on mcdonalds, I think that would be ideal. No one to blame.
I've joked about if we set up a go-fundme for a lifetme-all-he-can-eat macdonalds fund, they can't blame us from the heart attack.
I would genuinely love for Trump to meet the same fate, they're at the same level of evil and both deserve it.
the problem is all the collateral damage on their way out.
They've got two hands
I was sort of hoping that all three would end up dead.
I feel the same way I do about the invasion of Iraq.
A tyrant's death (and, in Iran, the possibility of) the overthrow of his regime cause me no tears. But I also recognize how immensely fucked things are going to get, how this wasn't the only course of action available for the USA, what effects this will have on OTHER matters of international relations, and what immense cost the ordinary people of the country are going to end up paying.
Not unlike the little girls killed in the opening salvo of the Iranian war
this wasn't the only course of action available for the USA
This presumes the USA needed to take any action at all.
The average American citizen does not benefit from US hegemony. Neither do the citizens of the countries we "liberate".
The US government clearly doesn't care about freedom or human rights. Look at how it currently treats its own citizens. Look at how its treated marginalized people on its territory, including minority citizens, for its entire existence. Look at all its authoritarian allies. Heck, its favorite West Asian partner is an Apartheid state.
We Americans need to stop buying the propaganda we've been fed that we are somehow duty bound to be the world's police force. That only serves the ~~boogereaters~~ bourgeoisie.
This presumes the USA needed to take any action at all.
THIS. 1000x this.
Recent events and events over the past few years indicated that the Iranian people were likely on the path of regime change anyways. Certainly not bloodlessly, but at least it would have followed the self-determination of the Iranian people. Now we just get to have another puppet government propped up by the US for oil.
Inaction itself is a course of action, but I would argue that continuing negotiations with Iran to prevent nuclear proliferation would have been a positive action to take under a sane administration.
You mean the deal that was in place, was working fine but torn up by Trump 1.0 simply because "it was an Obama deal" and a certain orange racist can't cope with anything a black man may have been involved in.
Yeah. Like I said, under a sane administration.
These humans are just cogs in a machine. Khomeni did alot of bad in the world but the CIA coup in 1953 is what created the conditions that lead to the 1979 revolution and the Ayatollah assuming power.
Killing Saddam Hussain didn't fix Iraq. Killing Bin Laden didn't fix Afghanistan. This will not fix Iran.
The US blowing shit up without careful consideration creates a cycle of violence that has been the history of the middle east for the past century. Doing this one good thing will had to a thousand bad things. The US has created all the terrorists that want to destroy it, and this situation is no different.
The problem will always be capitalism. The 1953 coup was motivated in response to the nationalizing the oil fields. As long as we are beholden to the profit concerns of rich men, these cycles of violence will persist.
Liberals absolutely leaning towards the first choice from what I've seen.
I mean, I would celebrate Trump's death too.
At no time is assassination cool.
We've chosen other organizations for this, lacking only our support to investigate and then remove tyrants. But this shit both breaks international law and abandons its backing. It's a one-two punch for civilization.
Why would trump not respect and empower objective investigation and punishment for cruelty? Is he worried about something?
Why would that be an either/or kind of situation?
Khamenei can rest in piss, but I really wish he'd dragged the entirety of this administration to whatever afterlife he went to, and without all of the bombing of civilians and children...
I hate that it is so easy to weaponize what has happened and manipulate the public into having to decide between these crude binary narratives as if there are only two opinions you can have on the matter- you're either in favor of Cartoon Villain Khamenei or Trump.
No nuance, no discussing the wider geopolitical consequences, the fact that Trump did this unilaterally without approval of congress, how this will likely end up in sectarian civil war and displace millions of people, how the USA just lent its muscle to further an Israeli imperial agenda in the Middle East...
Reducing this to a meme-friendly choice between two evil men is how accountability disappears and this type of unilateral imperial escalation becomes normalized and cheered.