Applies to Lemmy too.
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These humans are just cogs in a machine. Khomeni did alot of bad in the world but the CIA coup in 1953 is what created the conditions that lead to the 1979 revolution and the Ayatollah assuming power.
Killing Saddam Hussain didn't fix Iraq. Killing Bin Laden didn't fix Afghanistan. This will not fix Iran.
The US blowing shit up without careful consideration creates a cycle of violence that has been the history of the middle east for the past century. Doing this one good thing will had to a thousand bad things. The US has created all the terrorists that want to destroy it, and this situation is no different.
The problem will always be capitalism. The 1953 coup was motivated in response to the nationalizing the oil fields. As long as we are beholden to the profit concerns of rich men, these cycles of violence will persist.
Those things you mentioned SHOULD have fixed Iraq, Afghanistan and Iran.
The problem is the people not doing enough for themselves to prevent more violence from happening. They allow too much, especially religion, to get between violence and peace.
Like, jesus, fight for your country. Stop letting other countries try and do it for you. If you don't like the United States meddling in your affairs, then you guys need to do something yourselves.
Because ask yourself this, what were the people doing under all of those regimes? Suffering, that's what.
You seem not to know history. Mossadegh wanted to nationalize the oil fields so that the people living in Iran could benefit financially from them. The CIA murdered him and then installed the Shah, for the express purpose of letting Western corporations exploit the oil fields.
This exact story line has played out in countless countries for decades. The CIA or some other group has been doing this to the third world for a loooong time. Any time any of these people try to assert themselves to fix their homelands, the CIA has them killed.
If you are somehow under the impression that the US did all these things to help the people living there you are delusional at best
I'll bite.
In what way was the assassination of Mossadegh helping the Iranian people?
I what way the propping up and arming of the Taliban helpful to the people of Afghanistan?
There is no "people of Afghanistan" to rise up to fight for their country. Reading the actual history is quite informative. There's a region that's been demarcated by outside powers as Afghanistan in order to fit into the Westphalian nation-state system, but which has only ever been unified for a few decades here and there in its history, and only by force. The people who live there are a collection of ethnic groups, Pashtuns, Tajiks, Uzbeks, Hazaras, and others. From their point of view, the British Empire came along and drew lines around where they lived and called it a nation. That doesn't create a national identity in them, though, and another empire coming along and murdering them with drones doesn't do it, either. It takes a special kind of imperialist stupidity (Bush-like, one might say) to think that it would.
Similar story in Iraq. The British Empire drew some arbitrary lines on the map to divide up the area of the fallen Ottoman Empire, and mashed together disparate, rivalrous groups. It's stunning that Iraq is as functional a nation today as it is. (Although in a quick perusal of the news, I see articles about Iraqi nationalism fading.)
In short, from their point of view, the United States now is the problem, and the instigator of much of the violence, so why would they fight for a nation-building project that the US tried to impose at gunpoint?
I agree with you, but to be fair Iraq as a concept is really old, so it's not like demarcating the area we call Iraq as one administrative unit is a new idea. BTW the Iraqi state is only as functional as it is because opposition to it coalesced around ISIS and politically and military burned out/was crushed, allowing it to maintain a measure of monopoly on violence. It's still very dysfunctional in a day to day level, see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy_in_Iraq.
That too, but also intentional and unintentional Western sabotage of these nation-building projects to make the results more pliable to Western interests results in shitshows like the US-backed Afghan government that folded within months of US withdrawal. It's not like the US couldn't undertake a successful nation-building project if it really wanted to; it just doesn't.
I love some good imperialist apologia on a Sunday morning
Why? How the fuck is what they do or don't do your problem? Stay the fuck out of other people's business.
It becomes our problem when their people don't stop whining and crying for people to save them and we have to deal with their sob stories when they come here as refugees. You can't whine and complain about needing someone to help you, then reject the help when it comes. It makes you look like a drama queen. If they're going to be drama queens, then we should ship the refugees back to their countries, where they can happily die to the violence as they'll die very indecisive as to what they want.
Back in the early 90s, Bush senior’s administration knew what the consequences of killing saddam would be, so they didn’t do it. What they warned about back then was exactly what happened when bush junior’s administration killed him, so I don’t think you’re right that this should have fixed Iraq.