Look I read the entire book Trading With The Enemy and I understand there was no such thing as Nazi-Soviet collaboration, but the comment won't load fully. I can't see the sign

[–] Rom@hexbear.net 1 points 20 hours ago

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Treaties signed with Hitler:

1933 - UK, France, Italy - The Four Powers Pact

1934 - Poland (in January) - Pilsudsky Pact

1934 - Poland (in March) - German-Polish Trade Agreement

1935 - UK - Anglo-German Naval Agreement 1936 - Japan - Anti-Comintern Pact

1938 - UK (in Septenber) - German-British Non-Agression

Pact 1938 - France (in December) - German-French Non-Agression Pact

1939 - Lithuania (in March) - German-Lithuanian Non-Agression Pact

1939 - Romania (in March) - German-Romanian Economical Treaty

1939 - Danmark (in May) - German-Danish Non-Agression Pact

1939 - Italy (in May) - Pact of Steel (Friendship and Alliance)

1939 - Estonia (in June) - German-Estonian Non-Agression Pact

1939 - Latvia (in July) - German-Latvian Non-Agression Pact

1939 - the USSR (in August) - German-Soviet Non-Agression Pact

[–] Soot@hexbear.net 72 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (2 children)

Wow, I was not actually aware of this.

Certainly in history class in the UK I got taught about the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact and NOTHING ELSE. I've already since learned (from here,) that the USSR wanted an anti-fascist alliance which western powers rejected. After more research now, I didn't realise quite to what effort all of Europe was going to to actually sign pacts with Nazi Germany.

All that conspiring to ally with the Nazis, suppress the USSR's anti-fascism, and to isolate them entirely. Situation blows up in their face, the USSR then, almost single-handedly, saves the western world and wins the war with Germany.

To then, half a century later, be like soypoint-2 HOW DARE THE USSR SPEAK TO THE NAZIS THIS PROVES THEY'RE JUST AS BAD is even greater hypocrisy than I thought. We didn't just force them into it, we were already doing it ourselves years earlier.

[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 59 points 4 days ago (2 children)

The capitalists wanted to use hitler as an attack dog against the soviet union. They were fine with what he was doing so long as the attack would go eastward. Winston Churchill made his opinions of fascists very clear to the italian fascists:

"If I had been an Italian, I am sure I should have been whole-heartedly with you from start to finish in your triumphant struggle against the bestial appetites and passions of Leninism".

It was actually the signing of the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact that forced the west into siding with the Soviets, this pact made them realise Hitler was going to go west before going east. It forced the UK and France onto the side of the Soviets and it bought the Soviets crucial time to move their industries which were all very close to the border of Poland, they moved all of them up into the mountains. The Soviets may have been able to win at that time still but feared these industries were very vulnerable.

[–] AssortedBiscuits@hexbear.net 25 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

it bought the Soviets crucial time to move their industries which were all very close to the border of Poland, they moved all of them up into the mountains. The Soviets may have been able to win at that time still but feared these industries were very vulnerable.

Plus they were already at war with fascist Japan at the time. The pact was so the Soviet Union didn't have to fight a two-front war against fascists in their European and Asian borders at the same time. The Soviet Union would then go on to sign a similar non-aggression pact with fascist Japan right before fascist Germany invaded the Soviet Union. And once fascist Germany was defeated, the Soviet Union would then violate their non-aggression pact with fascist Japan by invading Manchuria.

[–] LeeeroooyJeeenkiiins@hexbear.net 23 points 4 days ago (4 children)

the bestial appetites and passions of Leninism

What the fuck did churchill think leninism actually entailed

[–] Pentacat@hexbear.net 29 points 4 days ago (1 children)

He was just racist.

[–] VComrade@hexbear.net 11 points 4 days ago

And stupid.

[–] booty@hexbear.net 15 points 4 days ago

rights for people who werent rich white slave owning men, which was terrifying of course

[–] comrade_pibb@hexbear.net 5 points 3 days ago

chad sex-haver Bolshevik vs virgin colonizer anglo

[–] alexei_1917@hexbear.net 4 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Ahh, English people imagining "Leninism" to be some horrifying dangerous Thing. A problem from the Great Patriotic War that still happens today.

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[–] plinky@hexbear.net 52 points 4 days ago (1 children)

the funniest tidbit is that poland annexed parts of czechoslovvakia in 1938 with germany, before its own partition. then they are whining about soviets

[–] CascadeOfLight@hexbear.net 44 points 4 days ago

AND the parts of Poland marked as the USSR's sphere of influence in the M-R pact... Poland stole from the USSR in 1921!

Those areas were taken from (and returned to) the Belarussian and Ukrainian SSRs, so you can also ask libs when Ukraine is going to be returning its occupied Polish land to the 'rightful' owners.

[–] LeeeroooyJeeenkiiins@hexbear.net 27 points 4 days ago (1 children)

My chud coworker tried to gotcha me with "the Soviets trained nazi pilots!" or some nonsense and then it turns out they had a training program with weimar Germany

Americans aren't great with geography, math, science, or the progression of time

[–] Collatz_problem@hexbear.net 13 points 4 days ago

And the funniest part is that Germans were training Soviet pilots too. It was more of an experience exchange program.

[–] Kumikommunism@hexbear.net 12 points 4 days ago

And the only reason the US isn't on this list like 5 times is because of the distance. It had the same policies.