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Nextcloud, Ionos and other partners are developing an open-source office suite under the project name „Euro-Office“ as an alternative to the market-dominant Microsoft Office.

The two partners are not starting from scratch, but have forked the components of OnlyOffice available as open-source code and want to build on them. In the summer, the software is then intended to replace the previous office component Collabora in Nextcloud and the Ionos Nextcloud Workspace. A ‘technical preview’ is already available on GitHub.

While this is a good news, I think they should move from github, you know microslop copilot..

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[–] mysweat@ani.social 20 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (20 children)

Are there any actually good replacements for Excel? As an intermediate/advanced user, every alternative I've tried to date pales in comparison. I can't see anyone in my industry switching away from MS because of this, as things currently stand.

[–] nothingcorporate@lemmy.today 2 points 5 hours ago

WPS Office has the best free Excel replacement IMHO

[–] BackgrndNoize@lemmy.world 3 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

I mean ideally people should move away from spreadsheets altogether, keeping the data and the view and control layers mixed like that is kinda terrible and scales poorly for large data sets that require any serious transformation and computations, ideally your data should reside in a acid compliant database or some data lake for safety and ease of access, and then view and transformations should be handled by a separate software on top of that, at least this is how most companies that do big data analytics set things up, I know it's overkill for some small to medium company that has limited needs, but there has to be something better than putting data into cells and writing functions on top of that.

[–] drmoose@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

LLMs actually revitalized movement to move away from excel. I think it's done for in the next 10 years.

[–] BackgrndNoize@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

Not if microslop can do anything about it, you thought regular excel was bad, now checkout the new "AI enhanced" excel

[–] jjlinux@lemmy.zip 9 points 16 hours ago

That's because most people are not willing to migrate their macros and some formulas from excel (lazy fucks that they are). It's doable, I've done it, did it years ago, and now build new ones for libre office all the time.

I have never had to rely on, or even use, microshit's software since then, haven't had anything not work for me. Being the imbecile that I am at those things and having managed to make them work, it's just a matter of choosing to do it, which most people choose not to.

[–] fizzle@quokk.au 9 points 17 hours ago

People always say this about LO.

I have a small finance consultancy, and we're a LO shop all day every day.

Its fine.

[–] MalReynolds@slrpnk.net 30 points 21 hours ago (3 children)

May I suggest Python ?

By the time you get tits deep in Excel to the point where other spreadsheets can't hack it, you may as well be using a real programming language instead of VBA...

If you can do advanced Excel, you can do Python (and numpy will crush Excel in ways that aren't even funny, well OK, it's funny too).

[–] WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works 13 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

btw, libreoffice calc supports python macros, so you don't need to choose between the two

[–] MalReynolds@slrpnk.net 3 points 11 hours ago

I know, but capturing business logic in spreadsheets is a different error I didn't want to get into here... You do what you can.

[–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 7 points 17 hours ago (3 children)

Is python realistic for non tech people? I have a lot of databases across sharepoint but no real tech knowledge beyond basics.

[–] kshade@lemmy.world 11 points 16 hours ago

It's one of the friendliest programming languages around. If you have written something in VBA then you'll do fine with Python, except for all the bad/outdated nonsense you'll have picked up from that language. And there's interactive interpreters you can just mess around in.

If this doesn't scare you then give it a look:

things = [4, 8, 15, 16, 23, 42]
for number in things:
    print(number * 16)
64
128
240
256
368
672
[–] WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works 9 points 17 hours ago

it was partly made for mathematicians who did not know how to develop software, but also for education. so I guess it's a good starter language. but it allows doing way too much things that will be very confusing when overused

[–] Rooster326@programming.dev 6 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (1 children)

If you are running multiple databases you are already a "tech people"

Sharepoint is not a "database". Many people have made that mistake and it eventually comes back to bite you.

I would recommend learning SQL. It is made to be human readable, and we've been perfecting it since the 1960's.

Python let you run SQL on any file, and standard DB technology with a very small number of lines of code. Recommend reading about Pandas

[–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 2 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

I would just have a lot of interdependent excels on sharepoint, think customer data and their respective equipment, serials, progression. I detest microsoft sooving away woupd be ideal and if I can do it while getting my head around python then great.

I have no idea what pandas is.

[–] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 2 points 11 hours ago

Python is a modular language, so it has various packages to do different things you need to do. Whether that's math, graphing, database querying, language parsing, machine learning, or pretty much anything else you can think of, there's probably a python package for it. You just need to install the package in addition to the basic python library, and import the packages you're gonna use into your scripts.

Pandas is a python package commonly used for data analysis. Another one is Agate.

If you're learning SQL, there's a python package called SQLAlchemy that will enhance your database operations. Another one is Agate-SQL, which integrates with Agate. Both are interoperable with SQLite (for local storage) and PostgreSQL (for server-based setups).

NumPy and Numba are python packages used for most math operations, and there are various other packages for higher-level math in case you need to do linear algebra, matrix multiplications, tensor calculus, or whathaveyou.

Matplotlib and Plotly are used for graphing, and there are others with more advanced features like interactive data visualization.

These are just a few examples. If you're in geoinformatics, astrophysics, cybersecurity, or just about anything else, there are python packages that will expand your toolkit.

[–] mech@feddit.org 6 points 20 hours ago (6 children)

You won't find any applicants for a secretary, HR, or accounting position if it requires knowledge of Python.

[–] axum@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

None of those positions are expected to know VBA script either.

[–] Rooster326@programming.dev 3 points 15 hours ago

If an accountant can't do a VLOOKUP. I would be concerned

[–] Luckyfriend222@lemmy.world 6 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

No, but for these OnlyOffice is a viable alternative. @surgarsweat was referring to way advanced features, not something secretaries or HR or accounting will need. I have use OnlyOffice for 6 years now, and have yet to find an Excel need it could not fulfill.

[–] sem@piefed.blahaj.zone 7 points 18 hours ago

Nah man. Advanced is a relative term. Making formulas in a spreadsheet can be advanced vs just typing stuff in there to make easy layouts.

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[–] kaiyo@lemmy.world 80 points 1 day ago (12 children)

I hear this argument a lot but no one ever gives details as to what common features excel has vs say libreoffice. I'm really curious, because i'd like to contribute free time in this direction.

[–] r4mp@lemmy.zip 32 points 22 hours ago (3 children)

What I always find missing in all these Excel vs. other spreadsheet software debates is the rationale for using a spreadsheet in the first place. I work a lot with large corporations, and it’s often the case that they can’t move away from Excel because, in the past, they relied on it to solve a process in a way that—at least today—could and should be handled better. Perhaps we should question the process more often and the Excel alternatives less.

[–] BackgrndNoize@lemmy.world 1 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Exactly, spreadsheets themselves are the bottleneck, they worked back in the day but data and analytics have moved well beyond that, but companies refuse to migrate to a modern architecture because the dinosaurs in charge are afraid of change.

[–] Quicky@piefed.social 1 points 8 hours ago

It’s nothing to do with fear, it’s down to cost, practicality, experience and security.

The one thing these people are not afraid of is change. Every senior management resource within every medium to large business wants to implement change.

[–] mech@feddit.org 12 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

The issue is that a lot of processes need to be understood by people who have no IT background. Your basic office drones need to be able to use it, enter data, and make changes. Every applicant in an office job will be relatively proficient in Excel.
If you move your process to another solution, the majority of your employees will have to be re-trained.

[–] BackgrndNoize@lemmy.world 2 points 10 hours ago

Before Excel existed people had to learn it after it became common, I'm sure if something else replaces spreadsheets people will learn and adapt to it.

[–] Quicky@piefed.social 8 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago)

As a data consultant, I would say those companies already do question the process, and have done for decades.

Yes there are countless situations where a dedicated system or database could and should replace Excel, but there are just as many scenarios where Excel is ideal, and swapping out a spreadsheet for what would be potentially tens of separate applications across the business, or one absurdly expensive behemoth, to perform tasks that could be done rapidly and clearly in Excel is neither practical nor economically viable for most companies. A spreadsheet is perfect for plenty of situations.

My job is literally to help these companies move to appropriate database solutions, often transitioning away from Excel. But there’s no getting around that a spreadsheet solves (often simple) problems that are impractical with other tools. You can move a company to a supplier’s sector-specific solution and solve huge numbers of issues, but unless that solution exactly meets every aspect of the business requirements, there’s always going to be a fallback and it’s often Excel, for better or worse.

[–] Serinus@lemmy.world 12 points 22 hours ago (2 children)
[–] Kissaki@feddit.org 7 points 20 hours ago (6 children)

I'm confused. Excel is a spreadsheet, that's always in the form of a table.

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[–] ikidd@lemmy.world 3 points 16 hours ago

WPS Office is the best I've found but I'm a little sketched out by the source.

[–] just_another_person@lemmy.world 23 points 1 day ago (1 children)

In what ways to they fail? I've used LibreOffice forever and don't have any specific complaints, but I'm definitely not using any of the more advanced features.

[–] pulsewidth@lemmy.world 23 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I love and use LibreOffice, but I do find Calc much harder to work with than Excel. PivotTables, sortable lists with locked headings and sort-buttons, even simply setting print area were all harder for me to get used to and implement on Calc than Excel.

I persist because I like the goal of FOSS, and it's "good enough" for my usage, I can definitely understand when people show frustrations - especially power users that have worked with MS Office for decades.

[–] cenzorrll@piefed.ca 3 points 13 hours ago

I like to think of libreoffice calc as a spreadsheet program, it's for running calculations on cells, that's it.

Excel was, but is no longer, just a spreadsheet program. Many things have been smashed into it that could have been better implemented separately, but when you're trying to tie down all office work to your single office suite, a hammer's gotta hammer. So they hammered a lot of those uses into excel to keep office workers tied to it. Admittedly, that does make it easier for office work since you don't need to train employees in multiple programs, you give them excel and teach them functions as they need them.

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