this post was submitted on 28 Mar 2026
607 points (98.7% liked)
Technology
83158 readers
4592 users here now
This is a most excellent place for technology news and articles.
Our Rules
- Follow the lemmy.world rules.
- Only tech related news or articles.
- Be excellent to each other!
- Mod approved content bots can post up to 10 articles per day.
- Threads asking for personal tech support may be deleted.
- Politics threads may be removed.
- No memes allowed as posts, OK to post as comments.
- Only approved bots from the list below, this includes using AI responses and summaries. To ask if your bot can be added please contact a mod.
- Check for duplicates before posting, duplicates may be removed
- Accounts 7 days and younger will have their posts automatically removed.
Approved Bots
founded 2 years ago
MODERATORS
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
view the rest of the comments
Are there any actually good replacements for Excel? As an intermediate/advanced user, every alternative I've tried to date pales in comparison. I can't see anyone in my industry switching away from MS because of this, as things currently stand.
WPS Office has the best free Excel replacement IMHO
I mean ideally people should move away from spreadsheets altogether, keeping the data and the view and control layers mixed like that is kinda terrible and scales poorly for large data sets that require any serious transformation and computations, ideally your data should reside in a acid compliant database or some data lake for safety and ease of access, and then view and transformations should be handled by a separate software on top of that, at least this is how most companies that do big data analytics set things up, I know it's overkill for some small to medium company that has limited needs, but there has to be something better than putting data into cells and writing functions on top of that.
LLMs actually revitalized movement to move away from excel. I think it's done for in the next 10 years.
Not if microslop can do anything about it, you thought regular excel was bad, now checkout the new "AI enhanced" excel
That's because most people are not willing to migrate their macros and some formulas from excel (lazy fucks that they are). It's doable, I've done it, did it years ago, and now build new ones for libre office all the time.
I have never had to rely on, or even use, microshit's software since then, haven't had anything not work for me. Being the imbecile that I am at those things and having managed to make them work, it's just a matter of choosing to do it, which most people choose not to.
People always say this about LO.
I have a small finance consultancy, and we're a LO shop all day every day.
Its fine.
May I suggest Python ?
By the time you get tits deep in Excel to the point where other spreadsheets can't hack it, you may as well be using a real programming language instead of VBA...
If you can do advanced Excel, you can do Python (and numpy will crush Excel in ways that aren't even funny, well OK, it's funny too).
btw, libreoffice calc supports python macros, so you don't need to choose between the two
I know, but capturing business logic in spreadsheets is a different error I didn't want to get into here... You do what you can.
Is python realistic for non tech people? I have a lot of databases across sharepoint but no real tech knowledge beyond basics.
It's one of the friendliest programming languages around. If you have written something in VBA then you'll do fine with Python, except for all the bad/outdated nonsense you'll have picked up from that language. And there's interactive interpreters you can just mess around in.
If this doesn't scare you then give it a look:
it was partly made for mathematicians who did not know how to develop software, but also for education. so I guess it's a good starter language. but it allows doing way too much things that will be very confusing when overused
If you are running multiple databases you are already a "tech people"
Sharepoint is not a "database". Many people have made that mistake and it eventually comes back to bite you.
I would recommend learning SQL. It is made to be human readable, and we've been perfecting it since the 1960's.
Python let you run SQL on any file, and standard DB technology with a very small number of lines of code. Recommend reading about Pandas
I would just have a lot of interdependent excels on sharepoint, think customer data and their respective equipment, serials, progression. I detest microsoft sooving away woupd be ideal and if I can do it while getting my head around python then great.
I have no idea what pandas is.
Python is a modular language, so it has various packages to do different things you need to do. Whether that's math, graphing, database querying, language parsing, machine learning, or pretty much anything else you can think of, there's probably a python package for it. You just need to install the package in addition to the basic python library, and import the packages you're gonna use into your scripts.
Pandas is a python package commonly used for data analysis. Another one is Agate.
If you're learning SQL, there's a python package called SQLAlchemy that will enhance your database operations. Another one is Agate-SQL, which integrates with Agate. Both are interoperable with SQLite (for local storage) and PostgreSQL (for server-based setups).
NumPy and Numba are python packages used for most math operations, and there are various other packages for higher-level math in case you need to do linear algebra, matrix multiplications, tensor calculus, or whathaveyou.
Matplotlib and Plotly are used for graphing, and there are others with more advanced features like interactive data visualization.
These are just a few examples. If you're in geoinformatics, astrophysics, cybersecurity, or just about anything else, there are python packages that will expand your toolkit.
You won't find any applicants for a secretary, HR, or accounting position if it requires knowledge of Python.
None of those positions are expected to know VBA script either.
If an accountant can't do a VLOOKUP. I would be concerned
No, but for these OnlyOffice is a viable alternative. @surgarsweat was referring to way advanced features, not something secretaries or HR or accounting will need. I have use OnlyOffice for 6 years now, and have yet to find an Excel need it could not fulfill.
Nah man. Advanced is a relative term. Making formulas in a spreadsheet can be advanced vs just typing stuff in there to make easy layouts.
I hear this argument a lot but no one ever gives details as to what common features excel has vs say libreoffice. I'm really curious, because i'd like to contribute free time in this direction.
What I always find missing in all these Excel vs. other spreadsheet software debates is the rationale for using a spreadsheet in the first place. I work a lot with large corporations, and it’s often the case that they can’t move away from Excel because, in the past, they relied on it to solve a process in a way that—at least today—could and should be handled better. Perhaps we should question the process more often and the Excel alternatives less.
Exactly, spreadsheets themselves are the bottleneck, they worked back in the day but data and analytics have moved well beyond that, but companies refuse to migrate to a modern architecture because the dinosaurs in charge are afraid of change.
It’s nothing to do with fear, it’s down to cost, practicality, experience and security.
The one thing these people are not afraid of is change. Every senior management resource within every medium to large business wants to implement change.
The issue is that a lot of processes need to be understood by people who have no IT background. Your basic office drones need to be able to use it, enter data, and make changes. Every applicant in an office job will be relatively proficient in Excel.
If you move your process to another solution, the majority of your employees will have to be re-trained.
Before Excel existed people had to learn it after it became common, I'm sure if something else replaces spreadsheets people will learn and adapt to it.
As a data consultant, I would say those companies already do question the process, and have done for decades.
Yes there are countless situations where a dedicated system or database could and should replace Excel, but there are just as many scenarios where Excel is ideal, and swapping out a spreadsheet for what would be potentially tens of separate applications across the business, or one absurdly expensive behemoth, to perform tasks that could be done rapidly and clearly in Excel is neither practical nor economically viable for most companies. A spreadsheet is perfect for plenty of situations.
My job is literally to help these companies move to appropriate database solutions, often transitioning away from Excel. But there’s no getting around that a spreadsheet solves (often simple) problems that are impractical with other tools. You can move a company to a supplier’s sector-specific solution and solve huge numbers of issues, but unless that solution exactly meets every aspect of the business requirements, there’s always going to be a fallback and it’s often Excel, for better or worse.
Format as table
I'm confused. Excel is a spreadsheet, that's always in the form of a table.
WPS Office is the best I've found but I'm a little sketched out by the source.
In what ways to they fail? I've used LibreOffice forever and don't have any specific complaints, but I'm definitely not using any of the more advanced features.
I love and use LibreOffice, but I do find Calc much harder to work with than Excel. PivotTables, sortable lists with locked headings and sort-buttons, even simply setting print area were all harder for me to get used to and implement on Calc than Excel.
I persist because I like the goal of FOSS, and it's "good enough" for my usage, I can definitely understand when people show frustrations - especially power users that have worked with MS Office for decades.
I like to think of libreoffice calc as a spreadsheet program, it's for running calculations on cells, that's it.
Excel was, but is no longer, just a spreadsheet program. Many things have been smashed into it that could have been better implemented separately, but when you're trying to tie down all office work to your single office suite, a hammer's gotta hammer. So they hammered a lot of those uses into excel to keep office workers tied to it. Admittedly, that does make it easier for office work since you don't need to train employees in multiple programs, you give them excel and teach them functions as they need them.