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Who tf does the catholic church think they are talking about "ideological colonization"? That's the whole point of religion. Catholics are masters of "ideological colonization". They're just bitter it's not working for them anymore.
Also, more to the point, citizens who don’t want abortions can just… not ask for abortion pills. Like, that’s not that hard.
Anyone who reads my full comment will understand I'm pro-choice but I understand the need to preface comments like this. Otherwise I'm repeatedly downvoted after a sentence.
So:
I am pro-choice.
I get what you're saying, but unfortunately if you're looking at this through the catholic worldview/lense of thought, the doctrine they were raised to believe is the only right way to live, so it's the same as someone saying to you "citizens who don't want to murder can just... not murder people. Like, that's not that hard. We don't need laws against murdering people though"
Required reading: “The Only Moral Abortion is My Abortion”
Thanks for the preface, but the ending is exaggerated. Abortion does not equal murder. It causes no harm to society or others, unlike murder or guns. It would be more accurate to say it's like gay marriage. If you don't agree, don't get gay married.
That's his whole point though. To a lot of Christians, abortion literally is comparable to murder. It doesn't make sense, but that's just how they see it. That's why the arguments up thread don't work on them.
That sounds great and all, but the vast majority of anti-abortion Christians are pro murder. They hard core believe in the death penalty, and don't care that innocent people have been murdered by the state. They would rather let children die of starvation rather than let even one person "take advantage" of the system. They have created programs to sterilize the poor and minorities, which is just abortion before the sex. They are hypocrites who only care about power and controlling others.
Yes, thank you.
Growing up without the Catholic dogma and worldview thrust upon you from birth (and consequently playing a part of every action you ever make {unless you lose your faith}, and many thoughts you think) and trying to use the argument that abortion does NOT equal murder is like arguing with an alien. Because from a personal worldview lense, they absolutely do believe abortion = murder with every fiber of their being. It's not enough to just say "no it's not" or make really any argument that leads to that debate. It even affects the views of many ex-catholics who have religious trauma and have been through extensive therapy for it.
No, to you and I, abortion is not murder. But trying to argue that is equal to them arguing to people like us (I assume) that gay people are not just, existing and normal, and not making a conscious decision to be gay. They think it's due to trauma and all gay people are mentally ill and can be cured. However there's no curing necessary. But they'll argue until they're blue in the face that it is. It's the same level of worldview solidification.
They were trying to explain the religious view. For those groups abortion is murder of an unborn child. It doesn't matter that there's no harm to the society - they see it as a harm to the child. Comparing it to murder was spot on, because that's exactly how those people see it.
You say it causes no harm to society but they'll argue it causes immense harm to God's plan, or whatever. They can also point to the plummeting birth rates which are now almost below the level to maintain the American system. It's a problem that is being debated amongst the highest members of the house and Congress. Of course the reason isn't abortion and is much more complex and societal and due to uncertainty about the environment and wanting to raise children when the parents are a decade a way from buying a house on two full-time incomes now and how much worse it's going to get for their hypothetical children.
My point is you have to see it through their worldview, and understand how they believe it affects them, now only see it through yours.
Birth rates are a much smaller problem for the future of the American economy than wealth inequality.
I think you're zeroing in on an example when it was meant to be an overarching example.
But to continue with your argument: if the workers aren't being born, the class war will get seriously real, and that's the last thing those at the top of the wealth inequality pyramid want.
Some people must have crippling abortion addictions. The kind of people that are like "I love being pregnant" and then soon after "Stairs my beloved ❤️" repeated indefinitely.
Heya, it sounds like they're trying to influence matters of state. TAX THEM.
Catholics are also masters of protecting pedophiles.
The funny thing is the Bible says life begins at the first breath like 4 times, and has an abortion potion/ritual guide.
Could you share which verses of the Bible. I'm not doubting, this is just so funny I want to see it for myself
“Ideological colonization” makes it sound like the law encourages California doctors to leave the state, commit what’s considered a crime in another state, but then be shielded from prosecution. According to the article, the law does not apply in such cases.
California just wants to protect their doctors from the crusades of far right wackos. Good for them. Red states are doing everything they can to alienate people like doctors and teachers. It’s a race to the bottom.
Also the citizens very much do want abortion, that’s why they’re having one
It's simply projection, which is all conservatives know how to do.
That’s what masters do: dominate the game to such an extent that people don’t even know they’re doing it. And cry out if anyone else even tries to play, without irony.
Well you see the catholic church doesn't have much experience with unwanted pregnancies, since they mostly stick to diddling kids.
Did they forget about the Jesuits lol