I love how you say "the gotcha" as it invalidated the argument. There is a paradox in your ethics, pointing out the way ppl tell you about it won't change anything about the fact being presented here.

It feels like to me that you are more concerned about winning an argument than adressing what is being talked about here.

So you are aware of the cruelty but proudly proclaim that you'll always willingly participate, no matter what?

So that makes them undeserving of anything resembling a life. Got you.

They actually don't. I've raised pigs, and they keep themselves clean- they pick one corner of the pen to shit in and a different corner to sleep and eat in, given the opportunity. The idea that they shit where they eat is probably (dunno for sure) because they clean themselves by taking dust baths, and when it rains, the wallow turns into mud. They roll in the mud to stay cool when it's hot sometimes, but it isn't shit.

We had a pig when I was a kid who could work the lock on her pen and escape into the fields next door to eat grass. They're pretty smart.