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France orders ban on all pro-Palestinian protests (www.politico.eu)

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[-] charonn0@startrek.website 142 points 10 months ago

Regardless of where you stand on the Israel/Hammas situation, the state shouldn't have this kind of power.

[-] scarabic@lemmy.world 52 points 10 months ago

France does this because of Charlie Hebdo.

The US didn’t even do this over 9/11.

[-] WhiteHawk@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Tbf there weren't a lot of pro-Al Qaeda protests in the US after 9/11 (and btw there were a lot more islamist terror attacks in France than just Charlie Hebdo)

[-] joneskind@lemmy.world 19 points 10 months ago

The French government fears unrest. Protests in France are not peaceful, and the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is a highly sensitive subject.

I have been on the Palestine side since the beginning of its violent colonisation, but the Hamas attacked civilians, not warriors. It was an act of pure terrorism. Very reminiscent of the events in France on November 13, 2015, when terrorists attacked concert-goers at the Bataclan.

[-] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 51 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

If it were truly about "unrest", they'd ban demonstrations in support of Israel also. This is just the government telling people what opinions they're allowed to express.

[-] jarfil@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago

Demonstrations in support of Israel have not (yet) ended up in burning stuff in the street.

France doesn't have a "free speech" clause before the "be civil" clause. In the US you can be an ass in the name of free speech, in France you can be civil or shut up.

[+] joneskind@lemmy.world -12 points 10 months ago

Support of Israel is understandable in this context considering the innocent people that were killed. And I don't think that Palestine supporters would attack people demonstrating support of Israel.

What I'm sure of though is that far-right/nazi movements will attack Palestine supporters, probably under cover. We call it "casseurs", people who are here to break things appart to undermine the event's credibility. Palestine support is almost left-party only in France. The goal of the far-right is to make us leftists look like violent terrorists.

On the other hand, letting this happen would weaken Macron's government image. They can't afford another episode of violence, even if it would weaken the left, it would much certainly enforce the far-right much more.

So in the end, yeah fuck that.

[-] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 13 points 10 months ago

Support of Israel is understandable in this context considering the innocent people that were killed.

Innocent people are actively being killed in Gaza as we speak.

What I’m sure of though is that far-right/nazi movements will attack Palestine supporters, probably under cover. We call it “casseurs”, people who are here to break things appart to undermine the event’s credibility. Palestine support is almost left-party only in France.

A leftwing event being attacked shouldn't undermine the legitimacy of the left. A false flag attack on a pro-Israel demonstration might though.

[-] joneskind@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

Innocent people are innocent people. You cannot cherry pick who deserves human rights and who doesn’t.

The fact that the murderer state of Israel killed and continues to kill innocent people is not an excuse for the barbarism we’ve witnessed.

I will always stand with Palestine, but certainly not for the terrorist Hamas.

[-] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 6 points 10 months ago

Innocent people are innocent people. You cannot cherry pick who deserves human rights and who doesn’t.

Yes, and by saying supporting Israel was understandable and thus wouldn't be banned, the implication was that supporting Palestine was not understandable. No one is holding pro-Hamas rallies in France, they're holding pro-Palestine rallies.

[-] joneskind@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

the implication was that supporting Palestine was not understandable.

I absolutely never said that. The “thus” is entirely yours. I never talked about pro-hamas rallies.

I said that the Macron’s government fears that pro-Palestine rallies degenerate into violent riots.

I also never said I agree with the interdiction, as I’m ready to fight far-right-wingers. Always have been.

[-] QHC@lemmy.world 32 points 10 months ago

Hamas is not all Palestinians.

[-] joneskind@lemmy.world 18 points 10 months ago

Absolutely. And Israel government is not all Jews. But people are especially stupid when they are angry, and boy my French people can be very angry.

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