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btw cargo ships are already incredibly efficient tho.
even if they produce a ton of co2, when divided by actual amount of goods delivered, they are hundreds of times more efficient than trucks
Yeah, we really should swap out all those trucks crossing the Atlantic with cargo ships.
Why don't we just replace all the trucks on the road with cargo ships?
Trains
Ocean trains
AKA Cargo Ships!
Why do I want a cargo ship that's got no fukkin wheels?
Our cargo ships have wheels though! See this post lol.
Oh absolutely. But why not make them even more efficient?
1,000x efficiency is good
100,000x efficiency is better.
Besides, now is the best time to do all the r&d for when fossil fuels are non-existant. Better to figure out how to mixmax wind while you have other options than when you have no choice.
My company makes sustainable packaging, and the primary way we compete as a sustainable bag product for our food grade division is eliminating the CO2 costs associated with shipping overseas (most reusable grocery bags are made in China).
As a result, it takes around 600 of our paper bags to be as bad for the environment as one reusable bag.
While overseas shipping is necessary and as efficient as it can be (so far!), it is still a major greenhouse factor (so far!)
Also everything that touches a container ship ends up on a truck at some point, so there's not really any savings there.
Fingers crossed for the Golden Age of Sail Part 2: Wind Boogaloo, even if it hurts our bag division a bit. The net gain is too good to ignore
I think nuclear ships are more likely than giant sailships
Maybe, but nuclear cargo ships were tried before (e.g. NS Savannah, Otto Hahn) and failed because they were too expensive.)
#BringBackTrains
Kind of hard to send cargo by train across an ocean though...
Ramps. Jump it over the ocean.
Twas in reference to trucks. Highways have replaced rail and so trucks have replaced trains.
When russia collapses and the US turns Siberia into west Alaska we can just build a bridge across the Bering strait.
Yeah but in the future Arasaka is going to lay a ton of AI controlled mines all over the ocean and lose control of them and ocean travel will be impossible. Oh wait, that’s just a ttrpg and a video game. A corporation would never do something like that in today’s world…
They also use the fuel we can't use elsewhere and many do in fact use wind power in the form of giant kites when the wind is appropriate.
Use fuel we can't use elsewhere? They use this refuse fuel because countries literally have laws banning their use within their maritime boundaries, because they're just that awful to burn. This shit fuel is used in international waters precisely because there are no international laws banning this.
Many use kites? The ship with the kites were a proof of concept, not a widely adopted maritime practice.
Okay but can we compare them with trains first.
Sure! What trains deliver goods across oceans? Or between distant continents?
Oh are we not just measuring distance? Because I don't see any trucks crossing the ocean either.
They beat trains. In fact all forms of goods tranports exponentially.
Doesn't mean they don't pollute, but ...at least you get something out of it? When American stop buying cheap Chinese shit and Chinese stop buying cheap oil from the Gulf, and when everyone stops buying produce out of season locally ...you see where I'm going with this.
And that's on top of cargo ships using the nastiest fuel IIRC.
Yup, that they do. Even what it's pegged to for hedging - home heating oil on the Nymex - is somewhat cleaner.