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[-] BeamBrain@hexbear.net 56 points 10 months ago

If they really want to commit to being the Ayn Rand institute, they should use Ayn Rand's argument for why Native Americans didn't have the rights to their land

[-] star_wraith@hexbear.net 38 points 10 months ago

I “like” the text of that speech because it just nakedly shows how much a monster Rand was and the natural conclusion of her “philosophy”. Showed it to a Rand stan I know and she never responded to it.

[-] BeamBrain@hexbear.net 28 points 10 months ago

In the land of anticommunism, all roads lead to fascism.

[-] usernamesaredifficul@hexbear.net 12 points 10 months ago

weird suddenly people don't have a right to property

[-] bennieandthez@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 10 months ago

They do, its just that these ones are not people.

[-] MF_COOM@hexbear.net 26 points 10 months ago
[-] keepcarrot@hexbear.net 55 points 10 months ago

" [Native Americans] didn't have any rights to the land, and there was no reason for anyone to grant them rights which they had not conceived and were not using. What was it that they were fighting for, when they opposed white men on this continent? For their wish to continue a primitive existence, their 'right' to keep part of the earth untouched, unused and not even as property, but just keep everybody out so that you will live practically like an animal, or a few caves above it. Any white person who brings the element of civilization has the right to take over this continent." - Ayn Rand, West Point lecture 1974

To be clear, Indigenous peoples did have property rights in their own legal codes and did work the land, so she's even wrong on the basics here, and even if they didn't would not justify genocide.

[-] the_kid@hexbear.net 26 points 10 months ago

“The memorandum noted that the Arabs had done nothing for centuries to develop the land and thus had forfeited their rights to the Jews, who, with their skill, energy and resources, had already demonstrated their capacity for developing Palestine and making it prosper. Moreover, it was asserted that the Arabs of Palestine were not ready for self-government in view of widespread illiteracy and lack of education. German interests and aims in Palestine were defined as primarily economic in nature; the Jews, not the Arabs, were considered most capable of creating conditions in Palestine conducive to those interests and aims.”

many such cases

[-] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 14 points 10 months ago

It wouldn't take much for techbros to come up with a sort of "eminent domain" for bazinga, where people could be evicted from their homes in the imperial core if some techbro promised to bring "skill, energy, and resources" to that location.

[-] footfaults@hexbear.net 5 points 10 months ago

They're already doing that, to San Francisco

[-] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 2 points 10 months ago
[-] keepcarrot@hexbear.net 2 points 10 months ago

BRB evicting Jeff bozos from his house because I didn't think he was maximising his land use

[-] MF_COOM@hexbear.net 11 points 10 months ago
[-] the_kid@hexbear.net 18 points 10 months ago

The Third Reich and the Palestine Question by Francis Nicosia. I think re: German support for Zionist settlement in the 1920s

[-] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 21 points 10 months ago

Whenever Gil Scott-Heron's "Whitey On The Moon" poem was posted on Youtube, there was a very good chance in the comments that some cryptofascist would declare that black people would "still be living in mud huts" if they hadn't received the blessing of enslavement and tied that to more recent history as a wailing terror that magical space futures will be denied if social justice isn't wiped out as a concept. mlk-yes porky-point

[-] usernamesaredifficul@hexbear.net 8 points 10 months ago

I'd far rather live as equals on earth than have slaves in space

[-] BeamBrain@hexbear.net 15 points 10 months ago

West Point

Fuck the troops

[-] Mardoniush@hexbear.net 12 points 10 months ago

Fuckhead couldn't even stay consistent; it was always a grift for her.

[-] Barabas@hexbear.net 6 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I've seen plenty of takes that are just this from zionists the last couple of weeks. It is just the same shit over and over with settler colonialists.

[-] HumanBehaviorByBjork@hexbear.net 2 points 10 months ago

me when i'm a secular natural rights "anarchist": "um but the state didn't say it was theirs?"

[-] HumanBehaviorByBjork@hexbear.net 2 points 10 months ago

is there any reading you'd recommend on pre-colonial conceptions of indigenous property rights? since grade school i was always lead to believe that native americans didn't have land ownership.

[-] keepcarrot@hexbear.net 3 points 10 months ago

Graeber likes talking about the topic, see both Debt: The First 5000 Years and The Dawn of Everything. I'm sure there's more indigenous sources.

An opening point would be that "native american" is a very broad category. Many different cultures with different lifestyles and legal codes. Hierarchies and morals. They have effectively been homogenised (in the eyes of their colonisers) by their common oppression and conquest.

[-] CptKrkIsClmbngThMntn@hexbear.net 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Maybe not 100% what you're looking for, but probably covering a lot of the same territory - check out Theft Is Property! by Robert Nichols.

[-] CrushKillDestroySwag@hexbear.net 1 points 10 months ago

Even if they didn't, that argument would only hold up until the very first treaty signed between colonizers and indigenous peoples. 99% of the story of colonization isn't people showing up to uncontacted tribes, it's settlers breaking their agreements with contacted ones.

[-] pisstoria@hexbear.net 14 points 10 months ago

that's basically the same argument they made, yeah :/

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