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Start here! These are probably the most talked-about essays on the topic.
- The Abolition of Work by Bob Black (1985) | listen
- On the Phenomenon of Bullshit Jobs by David Graeber (2013) | listen
- In Praise of Idleness by Bertrand Russell (1932) | listen
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Skilled labor = real human deserving of a fair wage.
Unskilled labor = meat machine that we need to pay by law, but we gladly wouldn't pay them a dime if we could get away with it because they aren't real people.
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Technically skilled as in requiring education (financed by the state), unskilled can learn on the job within days.
But politics has a way with twisting those words into a us/them dichotomy.
Many jobs societally requiring a degree could be learned on the job very quickly.
I’m a software engineer. There’s people on my team that went to Yale for computer science. There’s also people on my team that took a six month coding boot camp. They’re both great at their jobs.
Specifics of software engieneering. Doesn't work with civil engieneering, electrical engieneering and many other fields.
I agree, I was purely agreeing with
I still think the formality of some fields is still too “can you afford it,” but that’s for another topic
You can't learn those things online or in books?
in six months
It's bullshit and we both know it. Don't pretend that following an existing protocol for building bridges safely is so hard and requires education that I can't get in 6 months.
It's not like engineers are allowed to do whatever they want, they have rules to follow, none of which will be told to them in university because universities are worthless.
And this is why I said you can't learn civil engieneering in six months.
I don't need 6 months.
Some people just can't be trained to write code. You still need the aptitude at the end of the day.
I know both kinds that are absolutely dogshit at their jobs. I don't say this to negate your point, but rather to strengthen it.
I'll also add that some of the very best I know have no formal training whatsoever. But they have years of hobbyist experience that eventually led to a career and the additional experience that comes from that.
And even though success can come without formal training, I wouldn't want to hire someone completely untrained or inexperienced in this field - you gotta have something to get your foot in the door
For me it's not really an us/them opposition, my disgust is with how unskilled laborers are viewed/treated because of our lack of education. That somehow makes us subhuman and undeserving of a living wage. That we should be thankful for a minimum wage.
I have no issue with skilled laborers, I have an issue with owners/CEO/etc... us laborers of all skills are in the same boat. Best friend works for Intel, Intel makes tons of money, friend gets pay cut and added responsibility. ¿Que?
The problem lies in the fact that we need to categorise these subjects to write more effective policy. And it doesn't matter what words you use, they always get these connotations as familiarity grows.
Education requires no skill, you just kiss professor's ass and do as you're told, your reward is a diploma. Here, is that reductionist enough for you?
By the way, cashier job can't be learned within days, you need to be literate and know at least basic math and average kid goes to school for at least 8 years so fuck you. I can't even think of a job that requires no education.
Some more sarcasm and condescension
Is it made less difficult to achieve a living wage for everyone by affirming, or by challenging, the practice of characterizing some labor as "unskilled"?