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Sanders calls for conditioning US aid to Israel
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They gonna call Bernard "I got into politics because my extended family literally died in the holocaust" Sanders antisemitic now?
Seems like his views on this are pretty much aligned with that of typical israelis.
And yet that's the same view that has had people screaming about anti-semitism for the past month.
Dumb people are going to dumb.
Doesn't change facts though.
Aren't most Israelis calling for the expulsion of Palestinians from the region?
idk about a majority....There was a massive protest outside Netanyahu's house.
Israeli's are bombing their own civilians that are being held hostage right now. They are killing their own as if they are disposable.
Well I'm sure the families of the hostages aren't super happy about the way the war is being waged, but I wonder about the others. He did get voted in, and a lot more legitimately than Hamas in Gaza which was years before half their population was old enough to vote.
Well Trump, Putin and Hitler also were voted in.
But I doubt the majority would vote for them again given the chance.
I have to admit that I do not know. Probably not? How they think about it currently might be a bit different from how they thought about it 2 months ago.
My understanding is that they're pretty displeased with both Hamas and Netanjahu's government and are mostly blaming both for the current catastrophe.
Speaking of which:
Senator Sanders is in lockstep with Biden & rest of Democratic caucus's view here. There is a big push not to lose the path for a two-state solution and to pause West Bank settlement expansion. Wouldn't be surprised if President Biden's friend Bernard consulted with him about this beforehand.
It's almost like it's a complex problem with no easy solution
So was South Africa and the Native Americans and the racial relations in the US and countless other situations but we still try to inrpove them.
I'm not saying to ignore the problem, I'm saying that the solution won't fit in a tweet or a lemmy text box
Ya, probably more grad paper thesis territory lol. For South Africa, I know the reconciliation meetings had not only South Africans but people from all around the world, so we'd probably need the same thing here. International law and relations experts, experts on deconolization, history, political theory, constitutions from around the world, etc.
Although i know that also kind of caused the problem in the first place, a bunch of foreigners drawing lines on a map to dictate what happens to the natives. Hopefully this time they'd have a bigger say.
No, come on, don't be like that. We can do this.
If there is one thing I don't like about Lemmy (and social media in general) its that a majority of people can't grasp complex sitstuons or solutions and cling to the thing they dislike without consideration for everything else.
Most of the "complexity" comes from the fact that Israel directly funded Hamas while sabotaging every attempt for a moderate, secular Palestinian state, with the deliberate intention to create a propaganda-friendly enemy that they can justify war crimes against and eradicate Palestinians under the guise of collateral damage.
It's amazing how "westerners" always hide behind "complexity" when it comes to the white supremacist colonialism they've helped create...
That was 75 years ago my guy, neither of us had anything to do with it
It's still an anti colonial struggles. Right now Palestinians are resisting efforts by Israeli settlers who are using the "war" and the IDF to expand their holdings in West Bank.
It's also still an open question as to whether Palestinians who left North Gaza will be allowed back in. Several Israeli ministers have said that pushing them out should be the goal and the Prime Minister has publicly said Israel should just keep Gaza after this military campaign.
Not many people still alive, but the exact same imperial systems we're working the gears on today.
Oh... were you running interference for a white supremacist settler-colonialist state today or 75 years ago?
This is a lot easier to say from the other side where you don’t have to face the consequences for doing something. Americans don’t really have a choice, they can either vote for the Democrats or the Republicans or throw their vote away. Peaceful protest has long ceased to function and is mostly a tool for the opposing powers of the current party in power.
Just look at the people of France, famous for not taking shit, suddenly neutered because the increasingly authoritarian government simply doesn’t care if they burn Paris down. Or the UK and the Tories running rampant. Canada’s rising far right movement. Governments are no longer accountable to the people. In powerful countries, the only things left that people can do lead to imprisonment or death.
And I guarantee you wouldn’t do anything about this either if you were born American. Consider yourself lucky you’re not, and hope your country doesn’t slide into the same position where neither you nor your people will do anything about it either.
Face consequences for what, exactly? Not regurgitating white supremacist pro-Israeli propaganda on lemmy? Exactly what consequences will they face?
They never were, and it has never been a valid excuse for toeing the party line. That's what the entire "complexity" schtick is all about - it's just another fig leaf to hide behind and you know it.
I assumed you wanted things to improve instead of a narrower focus on only not making things actively worse. Actual improvement requires action and risk. I have no opinion on it if you just mean Lemmy talk.
Oh, I don't know... Phony Stark took a $44B hit because of the way all this internet talk is threatening the status quo that keeps him rich, and the hasbara shill farms have decided lemmy is a good place to invest their energy in. It's the whole reason the alt-right launched their little "culture war," after all.
I'd say all this lemmy talk might mean a whole lot more than you assume it does.