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New York lost more residents – and at the largest rate – in 2023 than any other state, despite an overall rise in the U.S. population, according to U.S. Census data.

The bureau released a map showing the percentage change in state populations between July 2022 and July 2023 – New York stands out as the only state colored a deep orange, a label for a percentage change of -0.5 or more.

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[–] Pogbom@lemmy.world 43 points 2 years ago (5 children)

I'm Canadian so I'm really asking this genuinely, but which liberties are being crushed in NY that aren't in other states?

[–] Potatos_are_not_friends@lemmy.world 27 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Back then in NY, I could get a hotdog, peanuts, and a kabob from three different food carts.

But now, some of these food carts are now clustered together instead of being a block or two apart!

Worse, some of these carts are offering Sriracha instead of Tabasco!

It's easily the fall of mankind here in NY.

Sriracha is better than Tabasco though...

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 25 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I don't know OP, but I won't be surprised at all if it's something about guns.

[–] Ageroth@reddthat.com 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I just moved to upstate from the Bible belt, like half the people I've talked to about guns have complained that you aren't allowed to shoot an intruder until they directly assault your person, not just them being on your property or inside the house taking stuff. Legit upset they can't value their possessions more than another human life.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

The person I'm talking to said they don't care how bad the crime is, just how much police do about it. So yeah, they don't care about crime or safety, they just care about violence.

[–] Death_Equity@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Guns, crime, and lower taxes. California, Oregon, Illinois, and NY are gun unfriendly, have barely enforced crime, and higher taxes. Texas and Florida are both gun friendly, actually enforce laws, and have lower taxes.

Californians leaving California because of the state of California and voting to make their new state more like California is peak Californian cognitive dissonance.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Please provide evidence that all of Florida and Texas have lower crime than all of Illinois, California, Oregon and New York.

And yeah, I'm not surprised guns was your main criterion, even before crime and taxes. Gotta have the precious.

[–] Death_Equity@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Not crime rate, enforcement.

Guns were the reason you gave, so that came first.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

So it doesn't matter how much crime there is, it only matters how many people arrested there are? That's your metric?

[–] bamboo@lemm.ee 1 points 2 years ago

Enforcement metrics just show the rate that minorities get harassed by cops and aren’t proportional to crime itself. Crime statistics, unless comparing the same crime per-capita (ie, homicides per 100,000) tend to reflect the amount of regular activities criminalized rather than the number of harmful acts done by individuals (ie, make a drug that many people have a crime, and now you have more crime and more criminals).

[–] SupraMario@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

I would say the stop and frisk scandal was pretty bad. I don't live there though and a lot of people moving out probably are tired of the economic inequality more than anything else.

[–] yeather@lemmy.ca -2 points 2 years ago

For clarity reasons I would like to start by saying most of my knowledge is based on New York City and not the state as a whole, though most of the people in the state live in the city so this is alright in my eyes. New York City currently is one of the most bloated budgets in terms of taxes in the country. With all if those people presumably paying taxes for the city they live in you would think they wouldn’t have to charge each person so much to live there. NYC has a rampant homeless issue, and an overbudgeted, militarized police force to deal with them and normal citizens. Even with such a big police force they can’t do shit about the crime in the city. Ghettos in the burbs have little police presence because they don’t want to deal with the actual crime in the city, they would rather take the easy route of bullying homeless people trying to sleep. Speaking of crime in the city, overregulation on firearms ensure only criminals have access to anything, plus they do not have a right to stand ground law, leaving New Yorkers with one option if they were to be robbed at gun point. New York politicians would rather earn brownie points with constituants than do anything useful, leading to nothing happening and normal people suffering, and then leaving.