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IMO police rules of engagement should disallow use of any tactical equipment until they at least run into active opposition. There's an innocent until proven guilty assumption built into the legal system, the police should also have a passive until proven violent assumption.
The only reason a single mother and baby should ever be flash banged is if they are shooting at the police. With the technology today, they should be aware of who is going to be hit by a flash bang before it's even thrown.
That, and there isn't ever really a need to do raids in the first place.
Exactly! There might be a reason to be ready for a raid, for example if there's a strong suspicion that someone's heavily armed and might attack. But you don't start acting offensively until you're 200% sure that someone poses an immediate and serious threat.
They'll use the teeniest justification to play soldier. Many of these raids are simply to catch someone on stuff like probation violations or unpaid fines, yet they act like they're trying to capture an international hitman.
Eh...raids are necessary sometimes. Just...not 99% of the time these fucks do them and, in the end, they should be done by people who are....you know...educated and competent.
Right. If there's a criminal, ask them to come out.
I can't tell if you're being snide with that comment, but yes. That should absolutely be the first step.
and if they don't...yeah. raids might be necessary. I really get all the anti cop shit here...because our cops are absolute shit and most of them need to be just be thrown away for life. But this website acts like society would just suddenly behave if the cops went away. No more crime, no need to ever pursue people. No need to ever raid anyone's home because nobody in history has ever done anything bad enough that they need to be forced to leave their home to face prosecution.
Again...I fucking get it. I hate our police in this shithole country but the answer is not no police ever no raids ever no arrests ever. The answer is massive fucking reform of our entire god damn system starting with EXTREMELY harsh punishment's for everyone involved in shit like this article.
If someone barricades themselves in their home, why not just wait them out? Cut off power & water, couple days max.
And if they have people in there they are threatening? Ah, well. They kill them its whatever right?
Again, I'm very sorry, but yes...some times society is going to need police. we just need to fix the system because our current usage of the police is completely fucked.
This isn't tv. Cops aren't going into a hostage situation as it is right now. Cops go in guns blazing when they are confident there is little threat, if there is actual threat they take their time.
Which, again, leads back to my main point that how our police use these tactics is the issue not the tactics themselves.
I'm glad you agree with me.
Most police are cowards, and bad at their jobs simultaneously.
Sure, but baby steps. How about we start with “disallow lethal force until they at least see or hear a weapon.”
/s but also true