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submitted 1 year ago by ironsoap@lemmy.one to c/politics@beehaw.org

Article from a few weeks ago, but now that G. Elliott Morris is taking over without Nate's models, I'm curious what lemmy's think about political polling analysis from FiveThirtyEight?

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[-] TechnologyClassroom@partizle.com 13 points 1 year ago

I did not trust 538 before. I think a few major US election voter turnouts suffered because too many people thought the 538 results meant that their candidate was a sure thing.

[-] primordial_chowder@beehaw.org 4 points 1 year ago

Based on the article, it looks like this change would make that a lot worse, since the main point of contention between Silver and the new guy seems to be that the new guy's models are a lot more certain of the results too early. So candidates are going to look like the sure thing far more now most likely.

That's not good. Specifically, I believe Trump beat Clinton because of 538.

[-] brognak@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Was it 538, or just the utter idiocy of the average American? Just because the polls say he has a 33% chance of winning, doesn't mean stay home, it means the opposite.

Thems worse odds than Russian roulette.

[-] KerPop47@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

That's not really accurate. The polls were going back and forth for over a month leading up to the election, and the FBI announce they were re-opening the case into Clinton's emails 3 days before voting day. The polls just didn't have the time to reflect that change.

[-] cerevant@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

I think releasing polls to the public is a bad thing for this reason. We ban releasing boat totals before the polls close for this exact same reason.

[-] nodester@partizle.com 0 points 1 year ago

That's a problem that could emerge with any system used to predict the outcome of any election.

If you make a prediction, you're arguably telling people not to vote.

I think it was the elitist confidence that the media including 538 applied to 538.

[-] nodester@partizle.com 1 points 1 year ago

So confidently predicting an outcome is the problem?

538 is just data-backed fortune-telling.

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