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Kenneth Smith ‘struggled for life’ for 22 minutes in Alabama nitrogen gas execution: Updates
(www.independent.co.uk)
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The state doesn’t intentionally murder innocent people. Your argument is invalid.
The state does not care whether they are innocent as well, and that callousness is just as bad from the eyes of people living in a civilized society...
I'm pretty sure this guys's guilt was beyond dispute. States have so many appeals and checks on capital punishment that it is much, much cheaper to default to life in prison. The economic argument isn't noble but should be included in the debate.
It's estimated that 4% of prisoners on death row are innocent. Sure, we're certain about this guy, but that's the case for those 4%, as well.
That's a good argument for increasing the threshold of guilt for capital crimes. But of those legitimately and obviously guilty, do they owe a debt equal to their own life for murdering someone else?
How does their death pay for that debt? There is no compensation, no restitution has been made, nothing else is corrected. So, why?
It would be restoration by proxy. I once had a friend who stole money. He did not know the person and could never find him again. To make restoration he gave an equal amount plus reasonable interest to a charity, anonymously. The charity was a proxy for the man from whom he stole.
So, was the restoration something he lost, or something he returned to someone else? Would it have been restoration if he just burned the money instead of giving the money to someone?
Can you proved evidence to this opinion of yours?
Which opinion? That the state doesn't care about whether a victim of a murderer is innocent or also a criminal? You can look up just about any criminal case and see that criminals are just as often victims of crime as any 'innocent' person. Literally, a compatriot dying while committing a crime with you will get you charged with Felony Murder.
If you mean that the state doesn't care if it executes innocent people, well: https://deathpenaltyinfo.org/policy-issues/innocence
So aside from your opinion… and a link that doesn’t even suggest what states actually care about,
got anything else?
Woah there, kiddo. It appears you haven’t learned how crime and punishment works. You see, there are varying degrees of crimes, and thus- varying degrees of punishment.
This is why shoplifters aren’t executed.
Hopefully this simple reference will keep you from embarrassing yourself in the future.
Civilian murderers also have justifications for their actions. I accept those justifications just as much as I do those of the State murderers.
This place is so stupid sometimes they'd fight for the rights of their own families murderer's. No point in trying to put facts in front of people like that. They've made their decision.
Oh I know. I’d be surprised none of them reported my comment simply because they disagree with it. Lemmy LOVES being outraged.
Sorry, who's being outraged here?
Seems Lemmy also loves coming to conclusions on people they know nothing about.
So how is what I said about you being outraged different from what you said about "Lemmy" being outraged?
Because I’m showing no indications of actually being outraged, and Lemmy does tens of thousands of times daily.
That’s how.
You sound pretty outraged.
I can assure you, you’re reading into it wrong. Reread it again- and imagine it coming from someone that doesn’t give a shit whether or not it happens- but that they meant what they said about not being surprised- because I guarantee that it’s been reported.
Now I’m going to add some smiley emojis to emphasize the point as that’s apparently how people understand things now.
😆😆😆😆😂😂😂😂😂😂😁😆😆😀
How can you tell someone doesn't give a shit?
They write two paragraphs and conclude with an excessively long string of emojis, apparently.
lol! Let me get this straight here:
So, if I say I don’t give a shit about something, and some random troll says I do- they’re right about it simply because I offered an explanation?
I think psychotherapy found its next shooting star! I mean… wow… You get to tell people what they’re thinking regardless of what they’re actually thinking! You should write a book:
Mind Reading For Idiots: How To Convince Yourself You Won An Argument Using Playground Rules’
And how is that different from your original comment?
Look, I get what you’re trying to do, so I’ll pretend there’s a small about of genuineness to what you’re saying- and respond accordingly:
Actual REAL outrage is very easy to tell. You can’t tell me that you haven’t seen people up in arms over their “gEnOciDe jOe” nonsense. And not even just that, but even the smallest of things will set them off.
Seriously, I got yelled at and pointlessly downvoted for stating that I didn’t like anime- In a post that questioned popular things others enjoy that you don’t like.
Go to any news article, or political community and look at how many people bypass the all the voices of reason to carry on with their nonsense. Or go to any opinion based post and look at how many arguments erupt into name calling and mid removed posts because people can’t handle others disagreeing with them.
You can keep trying to equate what I’m doing as being similar though. I’ve explained my point beyond what I feel you’re owed, and at this point, I’m done discussing this with you.
I have, but just because ridiculous people exist doesn't mean it's not absurd to accuse all of Lemmy of being ridiculous.
Like, for example, if some ridiculous person went into a post about an arson that killed dozens of people, and used that as an excuse to say they don't like anime, then later pretended their post was entirely on topic and the people down voting them for making light of a terrible situation are wrong... That person is at best an idiot, but I wouldn't equate it to "Lemmy is crass, juvenile, and can't read the room." That's true of the individual, not all of Lemmy.