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The generation that turned cities into expensive playgrounds for the young is now being forced to flee to the suburbs by Eliza Relman

Everyone and everything relating to this article should be dunked on

Jandra Sutton feels like a lucky millennial. She and her partner were able to sell their house in suburban Tennessee and buy a condo in downtown Nashville in 2019, before mortgage rates and home prices skyrocketed.

A few years of suburban living had made the couple "miserable," says Sutton, a 34-year-old writer and content creator. "The closest coffee shop was 15 to 20 minutes away, there wasn't a lot to do in the area, and none of our friends wanted to make the drive to visit us," she says. "It was so isolating."

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They now have 1,500 fewer square feet of living space, one fewer car, and no yard, but they're much happier. They're surrounded by restaurants, live music, parks, and many other "third places" to meet people and hang out. They're regulars at their favorite neighborhood bar and bodega, where, Sutton says, "we know everyone by name and vice versa."

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The couple could afford to return to the city in part because they're DINKS: double income, no kids. They won't need the extra bedrooms, pricey daycares, or outdoor space that would crush their budget. Sutton's right — they are lucky. Many millennials hoping to buy a home and have kids are being priced out of the urban neighborhoods they've built their lives in and that were reshaped to fit their lives.

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Some homebuyers who decamped for the suburbs in the horrifying first months of the pandemic have come to regret their move. But as housing costs and mortgage rates hit record highs, they're stuck. Those who stayed in the cities are fleeing in droves, to parts unknown. Millennial homebuyers aren't just leaving the urban core — they're moving to the farthest reaches of the suburbs. The housing market and aging (the oldest millennials are entering their mid-40s, SMH) are turning millennials into the thing every generation swears they'll never become: their suburban parents.

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The 'youthification' of cities and far-flung suburbs

For nearly two decades millennials morphed dense, amenity-rich urban neighborhoods across America into exclusive playgrounds for the young and childless. Compared with Gen Xers and baby boomers, a much larger share of millennials moved to cities in their young adulthood — and stayed for longer. They wanted craft-cocktail bars over picket fences, walkable commutes over two-car garages, SoulCycle over swimming pools. In turn, cities were yassified in their image.

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Millennials wanted craft-cocktail bars over picket fences, walkable commutes over two-car garages, SoulCycle over swimming pools. In turn, cities were yassified in their image.

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That "youthification" trend has accelerated: Cities are getting younger, faster, from San Francisco to Boston, Salt Lake City to Seattle, Austin to Denver. But it's not millennials who are making them younger — it's Gen Zers. (Gen Z, it should be noted, isn't exactly thriving in urban real-estate markets. About a third of Gen Z adults are thought to live with their parents, and many don't think they'll ever be able to own a home.) Millennials, meanwhile, are aging out and getting priced out into suburbia.

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Recently, the Suburban Jungle Group, a real-estate advisory firm that specializes in helping New York City dwellers move to surrounding suburbs, has been getting a lot of calls from millennials freaking out as their lifestyle grows out of reach. They got pandemic-era deals and signed two-year leases, and they're seeing their rent skyrocket. "Clients call us in a panic, saying, 'I got my renewal, I have 30 or 60 days to let them know, and my rent is increasing up to 30-plus percent,'" said Allison Levine, the firm's director of communications.

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The pandemic only steepened a trend that's been ousting millennials from cities for years: rising housing costs in cities.

In 2017, Tiffany Stuart, then 36, and her husband left New York City and moved to New Jersey when they realized they couldn't afford a larger apartment for their growing family. These days, they both commute an hour each way — Stuart by train and her husband mostly by car — several times a week. Beyond tolls, car maintenance, and other commuting expenses, Stuart is frustrated by the other costs of owning a home, like leaky roofs and lawn care. Though she appreciates the greenery and her friendly neighbors, she misses aspects of city life, particularly all the West Indian restaurants she grew up around in Flatbush.

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When COVID-19 shut down much of the country, millions of people were suddenly living their entire lives in their cramped apartments, and demand for larger homes shot up. And since there aren't enough family-sized apartments in urban areas to keep up with demand, in part because studios and one-bedrooms are more profitable for developers to build, that demand shot up in the suburbs.

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Census data indicates that in 2022 adults between 20 and 29 were more likely to say they moved for housing-related reasons than for family- or employment-related reasons. Hyojung Lee and his colleagues at Harvard's Joint Center for Housing Studies have found that cities with the most expensive rents and the smallest shares of apartments with three or more bedrooms lost the largest shares of their millennial population to the suburbs in recent years.

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To Lee and his colleagues' surprise, millennials aren't moving to nearby dense, walkable exurbs. They're getting way out to peripheral suburbs.

"It turned out that millennials are moving to the most boring places in the world," says Lee, who's now a professor at Seoul National University. "They're moving to really single-family-dominated areas with very few urban amenities."

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John Natale, a real-estate agent based in Wall Township, New Jersey, calls this phenomenon "drive till you qualify." He says it used to be that he could find his clients a home in their price range in whichever county they wanted to be in. Now, because prices in exurbs have swelled since 2022, his millennial clients are being priced out of anything within striking distance of New York. "People are adjusting one, two, maybe even three counties over just to be able to afford a house," he said.

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Rafay Qamar, a real-estate agent in Chicago, says many of his millennial clients who left the city to buy homes in the suburbs in recent years are trying to come back. "Some of these were rash decisions because properties were moving so aggressively, so quickly. People didn't really have a chance to shop around," Qamar said. "In about a year or so they're like, 'Listen, work just opened up, and this commute is terrible. We've got to sell it and go back to the city.'"

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But in this housing market, many are stuck. They can't afford to sell their suburban homes, some of which have depreciated since the market highs in 2021 and 2022, particularly with mortgage rates so elevated. "A lot of people are now underwater," Qamar said.

The urban affordability crisis is hitting all but the wealthiest. As lower-income people were priced out of cities, the rate of suburban poverty rose three times as fast as the rate of urban poverty from 2019 to 2022. Black families have been particularly affected. New York City lost about 9% of its Black residents over the past 20 years and more than 19% of its Black children and teens from 2010 to 2020. It's part of a broader trend, dubbed a "New Great Migration," of Black families leaving expensive northern cities for the suburbs and for the South, where the cost of living is lower.

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A roundabout way to more walkable communities

It's expensive to live in the places millennials prefer: walkable communities with lots of shops, restaurants, and public space. An analysis published last year found that homebuyers in the 35 biggest American metropolitan areas paid 34% more to live in walkable neighborhoods, while renters paid 41% more. Paul Stout, a millennial landscape-architecture student with a popular urbanist TikTok account called Talking Cities, says he constantly hears from followers who wish they could afford a home within walking distance of places like coffee shops.

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"I can't emphasize enough how many times I read comments with people saying that they wish they could live somewhere more walkable but they just simply can't afford it," Stout says. But while millennials wallow over the choice between a tiny apartment in a dense city and a lonely, sidewalk-less subdivision, urbanists insist any place can be dense and walkable as long as land-use laws allow it and people want to live there.

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"There's a lot of places in the suburbs that could be really lovely to live if you could only put a grocery store or a coffee shop on the corner," Stout says. "I'm optimistic that you could actually make living walkable almost anywhere in the US, given the right package of zoning reform."

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Zoning codes and other land-use regulations are controlled by local voters — and, particularly in suburbia, they tend to be older homeowners with a penchant for the status quo. Tayana Panova, an urban researcher writing a book about suburbia's effects on mental health, said an influx of younger "city-craving" homeowners and voters could change that, but only if they engaged themselves in the politics of it all.

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Millennials could help transform suburban sprawl into town-like communities or small cities with more third places and a stronger sense of community, Panova says.

In some places, it's already happening. "Even the farthest-flung suburbs are starting to see some of the impacts of their new millennial residents. Many that gained a significant number of new millennial residents are also becoming more amenity-rich," Lee said. Suburban retail is booming — half of Sweetgreen salad shops are now in the suburbs, up from 35% four years ago.

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"There are so many towns that in the last five, six years I've seen huge revitalizations, where all of a sudden restaurants and exercise studios and trendy stores start to pop up," says Levine of Suburban Jungle. "You can move to the suburbs and not feel like you need to go to the city to have a great dinner or to see a show or live music or the arts."

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Panova says this could be "a turning point" for suburban communities with a burgeoning millennial population that "makes them more city-like."

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"If we can plant those kinds of urban seeds that grow into little communities, that would be a great way to ease the pressure on these handful of cities that are getting all the incoming traffic of people," she said.

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Indeed, if the restaurants, bars, and cultural institutions near Sutton's home in Nashville had been as easily accessible when she lived in the suburbs, she said, she might never have felt the pull back to the city.

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[-] Jenniferrr@hexbear.net 83 points 10 months ago

It's sooooo cool that millennial made the housing prices in cities unaffordable and upped their rent ad infinitum. That was definitely a choice that "millenials" made. Its so great that housing is just an investment vehicle in this country and now housing is made completely unaffordable to people who are actually doing well let alone people who are just scraping by. I mean Jesus fucking christ. Goddamn this country

[-] CantaloupeAss@hexbear.net 49 points 10 months ago

I truly don't understand how this shit is supposed to go. I am by no means impoverished and I am simply not going to afford to be able to live where I live forever, like perhaps within the next two years, depending on what a greedy fuck my landlord is.

Once they have priced out their tenants, where do landlords think the rent is going to come from?

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[-] Jenniferrr@hexbear.net 41 points 10 months ago

Literally I don't even know. Where i live, pretty much it is incredibly expensive if you live within 45 minute drive of the city. It is insane. And the city is doing nothing about these landlords. Something has to be done really

[-] anarchoilluminati@hexbear.net 53 points 10 months ago

the city is doing nothing about these landlords. Something has to be done

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[-] FakeNewsForDogs@hexbear.net 32 points 10 months ago

As I understand it (not perfectly by any means) I think for some of them the rent is secondary. They are instead simply banking on leveraging the “infinitely increasing” asset value of the property itself.

Hence so many vacant but very expensive properties. They can’t lower the rent because doing so would be acknowledging that maybe the property’s not actually worth what it says on paper.

And it’s not a bad bet honestly, because Washington knows that’s what our joke of an economy runs on now, and it would be financial suicide to let the bubble deflate at this point.

All the same, you have to imagine that sky high rent meaning no rent at all for a certain threshold of housing volume is not sustainable for long.

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[-] DragonBallZinn@hexbear.net 35 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

My fucking 20s were stolen from me by lazy penny-pinchers who arbitrarily decided that not living with mummy and daddy should be for spoiled trust fund babies of billionaires exclusively.

Greed should stop being seen as a cute, endearing quirk and instead should be seen as the real "d*generacy" ruining society (because it is)

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[-] barrbaric@hexbear.net 65 points 10 months ago

Counterpoint to this article: what if we just killed all landlords, developers, and authors of this article, then redistributed their wealth evenly?

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[-] hexaflexagonbear@hexbear.net 60 points 10 months ago

The generation that turned cities into expensive playgrounds for the young is now being forced to flee to the suburbs by Eliza Relman

Just the headline is so insane. The trope of young (often creative) people moving to a cheap loft in NYC and interacting with the preexisting culture in odd ways is really common in 60s-90s cinema. There's no way that young people living just a bit beyondbtheir means in a city is a millenial phenomena.

[-] frauddogg@lemmygrad.ml 53 points 10 months ago

The couple could afford to return to the city in part because they’re DINKS: double income, no kids.

Man, the powers that be are MAD AS SHIT that millennials and younger are increasingly opting out of producing more labor chattel for the overlords; they wouldn't be trying to push this acronym otherwise.

[-] ColonelKataffy@hexbear.net 37 points 10 months ago

doug did it first grill-broke

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[-] Poison_Ivy@hexbear.net 53 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

All conversations with Liberals about building housing inevitable leads to them regurgitating pro-Landlord and pro-Private developer garbage that they refuse to acknowledge is just repackaged trickle down economics but for an inelastic good (housing)

Just build some fucking social housing like Vienna did you fucking dimwits since you're too cowardly and lead-poisoned to build Soviet/Chinese public housing, instead of building dozens of 3,000 dollar a month studios and calling it aFfOrdAbLe just because its 100 dollars under mArKET rAtE.

[-] SovietWaveGoddess@hexbear.net 34 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

All conversations with Liberals about building housing inevitable leads to them regurgitating pro-Landlord and pro-Private developer garbage that they refuse to acknowledge is just repackaged trickle down economics but for an inelastic good (housing)

every liberal since genX is a reaganite in denial

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[-] Gay_Wrath@hexbear.net 29 points 10 months ago

I love how there are literally studies showing it's actually cheaper to house homeless people than to harass, police and jail them and yet neolibs are just so horny for cruelty that they don't even care it's better for The Line

[-] barrbaric@hexbear.net 20 points 10 months ago

The fun new talking point from chuds is that we're wasting too much money on housing first programs (to be clear, we aren't) and should just... get rid of all the homeless instead.

[-] Gay_Wrath@hexbear.net 19 points 10 months ago

genocidal anti-homeless rhetoric like that boils my blood like nothing else

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[-] DragonBallZinn@hexbear.net 46 points 10 months ago

"Perhaps you should look into staying in your hick tow-"

Fuck. you. If the fact that I like walkability, being around people under 40, and not living in a fucking culture desert makes me a bougie bon vivant. Well oink oink, I'm a fellow porky too.

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[-] BoxedFenders@hexbear.net 45 points 10 months ago

Wait, so how are millennials getting priced out of the cities by Gen Z'ers when Gen Z can't afford to move out of their parent's homes? It's really about how everyone regardless of generational cohort is getting squeezed by speculators and investors.

[-] DragonBallZinn@hexbear.net 20 points 10 months ago

porky-happy: "Well, if you young-un's didn't like all the good fancy stuff, you would never have made my investment properties so valuable to the point we kicked you back to the boonies. Oh well, you can make living in your parents' basement cool too, right?"

[-] alcoholicorn@hexbear.net 44 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Honestly it's not that bad, at least it acknowledges that people want services and that suburbs are insanely isolating because everything is so inconvenient it requires you block out an hour of your day just to get a cup of coffee, and housing is so expensive nobody can afford amenities.

There's 10x more articles that conclude "Millennials are moving to the suburbs because they like suburbs" or "Millennials prefer renting to owning" or "Millennials prefer experiences to saving money"

[-] stolid_agnostic@lemmy.one 27 points 10 months ago

I suspect that the first half of Millenials tried to emulate the Boomer lifestyle but the second half knew they had no chance and moved on to other things.

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[-] came_apart_at_Kmart@hexbear.net 39 points 10 months ago

i think it's a feature/requirement of the capitalist ideological frame to pretend like consumer demands influence the landscape far more than capitalist control of resources. can't remember who said it, but the "the more powerful the class, the more it pretends not to exist" quote comes to mind.

developers and their creatures in government were & are the reason everything is the way it is in our communities. there's some YT lecture from More Than Bikes about how the most desirable housing in north america is illegal to build now.

was just talking with a retiring colleague this morning about how fucked everything has gotten in the last 3 years, with sluggish wages and housing prices skyrocketing. if i hadn't locked in a rate for my little shelter when i did a few years ago, i would be fucked right now. in the short term, all the STRs need to be straight up banned immediately. there should also be a cuban-revolution style ban on individual humans owning more than 1 home and organizations owning any homes. vacant homes should be seized and converted into community schools, shelters or third places where appropriate. finally, national rent controls requiring the absolute highest level of energy efficiency and decarbonization to qualify for listing. you want to collect rents? you better turn that place your mom owns (she lives with you now) into some goddamn star trek level housing. and even then, you're not getting more than 5% of household take home.

the landlords have proven mao right, so they must all go and they only have themselves to blame for whatever they get.

[-] The_Jewish_Cuban@hexbear.net 32 points 10 months ago

“If you who own the things people must have could understand this, you might preserve yourself. If you could separate causes from results; if you could know that Paine, Marx, Jefferson, Lenin, were results, not causes, you might survive. But that you cannot know. For the quality of owning freezes you forever into ‘I,’ and cuts you off forever from the ‘we.'”

Different grapes of wrath quote

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[-] MaxOS@hexbear.net 38 points 10 months ago

Sorry everyone, I yassified the cities and now nobody can afford to live in them.

[-] WashedAnus@hexbear.net 19 points 10 months ago

YassifyBot, how could you?

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[-] stolid_agnostic@lemmy.one 33 points 10 months ago

I take two arguments from this article:

  1. It's Millenials' fault, for some reason, that prices are high in the cities.
  2. A lot of Millenials got cabin fever and moved to the suburbs without thinking about it enough and now can't go back to where they want to live.
[-] Pastaguini@hexbear.net 32 points 10 months ago

Indeed, if the restaurants, bars, and cultural institutions near Sutton's home in Nashville had been as easily accessible when she lived in the suburbs, she said, she might never have felt the pull back to the city.

Wait, isn’t that what the author is claiming caused the issue in the first place? That millennials’ insatiable and entitled thirst for craft cocktails and restaurants is what’s pricing them out of cities?

[-] CloutAtlas@hexbear.net 29 points 10 months ago

"if there were bars and venues within walking distance in the suburbs, we wouldn't have left the suburbs"

God damn this lady is smart.

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[-] Harajukum@hexbear.net 28 points 10 months ago

miliranels killed the city industry

[-] CrushKillDestroySwag@hexbear.net 27 points 10 months ago

This author should be redacted but god damn every single thing they talk about in this article is true. In 2022/3 I was able to rent a room in a city - not even in the dense city center, just close enough that I was by a train stop that went downtown - and almost every aspect of my life was so much better. But I had to move out for reasons outside my control, and now there's no place in that area for less than three times what I was paying before. The only places I can afford to live despite being employed full time are my parents' house or waaaaay out in the sticks.

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[-] bigboopballs@hexbear.net 27 points 10 months ago

They now have 1,500 fewer square feet of living space, one fewer car, and no yard, but they're much happier. They're surrounded by restaurants, live music, parks, and many other "third places" to meet people and hang out. They're regulars at their favorite neighborhood bar and bodega, where, Sutton says, "we know everyone by name and vice versa."

god I wish there was a single appealing "third place" in my entire fucking city. a town/city of 100,000 people at that.
but there isn't. there is just nowhere to fucking go or hang out.

[-] Hohsia@hexbear.net 20 points 10 months ago

Leftism is just masochism with extra steps

[-] Gay_Wrath@hexbear.net 20 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I'm gonna comment without reading first because i'm a naughtly little hog

i keep seeing people in the reddit city sub being like "the taxes in this city are so expensive, i'm moving to X" where X = a city with higher cost of living and i've gotta assume people aren't actually that bad at math, and are in fact weird bots that neolibs made to complain about taxes that help unhoused people get a single scrap of support

edit: okay now i've read it. I'm going to compost that person and put them in my garden to grow mushrooms on

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