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[-] TheGiantKorean@lemmy.world 254 points 9 months ago

I just don't look at it if I have to make an account.

[-] LinkOpensChest_wav@lemmy.dbzer0.com 99 points 9 months ago

Same. Those sites simply don't exist to me. If it's so important that I see it, then copy/paste the content.

[-] Mango@lemmy.world 29 points 9 months ago

Right? If your message is important, then set it free. If it's not, then I'm not gonna care.

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[-] Guajojo@lemmy.world 22 points 9 months ago

My thought exactly, and I don't feel like missing out either

[-] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 19 points 9 months ago

Which is 100% fine by them.

They've created a situation where we HAVE to use ad-blockers for security, so they instead have to sell our data.

If they can't make money off ads OR selling our data AND we won't pay to view the content, all we're really doing is using up their bandwidth.

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[-] Dyskolos@lemmy.zip 155 points 9 months ago

Haha, so true. I really really miss the "old" interwebz. Imagine the content of back-then with the hardware of today. The dream of yesteryear would come true. A blazingly fast net. Just html with a bit of JS (when really needed). Not 10 frameworks (each used for one function), dozens of mb of graphics, a gazillion of cookies and tracker-scripts and... Jeez.

Today i need so much stuff to fight the other stuff, it's stuffmageddon.

Oh and if you're also European you can also fight (for free!) the silly cookie-war.

[-] TrismegistusMx@slrpnk.net 35 points 9 months ago

4chan back before the Nazi takeover was like the wild west. My favorite part was "Lithursday," when we would share images with embedded PDFs of copyrighted content, including rare books, anarchist materials, and military manuals. I often wonder if those unusually large .jpgs are still floating around the internet waiting to be unlocked. I also saw legitimate acts of activism and terrorism unfolding live, without the interpretation and propaganda of the state.

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[-] asteriskeverything@lemmy.world 25 points 9 months ago

Not 10 frameworks (each used for one function), dozens of mb of graphics,

Have you seen the old internet?! It would have been even more gifs, music players, and oh the flash websites! Haha I know that's really not your point but this jumped out at me and made me chuckle.

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[-] JimmyBigSausage@lemm.ee 113 points 9 months ago

Ha! Recently went to breakfast with a couple of new neighbors (partners).

They were asking me what apps I enjoyed and I told them that I WAS enjoying Apollo. Told them I left Reddit. They sort looked at me. They later said they both worked at home. Their job was creating ad space for the web. One of them gave me the enshitification face. Sigh.

[-] Stoneykins@mander.xyz 57 points 9 months ago

What is "the enshitification face"

I can only imagine horrible things

[-] cypherpunks@lemmy.ml 43 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

What is “the enshitification face”

maybe one of these?

[-] grue@lemmy.world 25 points 9 months ago

Definitely the first one, with the dollar signs.

[-] JimmyBigSausage@lemm.ee 21 points 9 months ago

It was sort of like you caught me eating my shit cereal face. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

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[-] Sarcasmo220@lemmy.ml 102 points 9 months ago

The browser in my computer at work doesn't have an ad blocker. I haven't installed one because I most of the time I'm using it to access our intranet. But when I do happen to use the internet, damn are there so many ads! They literally block the content I'm trying to read, and come back even when I try to close it.

All that to say, due to enshittification I will forever keep my ad blocker on my personal computer.

[-] Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 57 points 9 months ago

Can't imagine what the web is like outside of ublock origin...
The few websites I see on pcs by clients are essentially state backed so they don't have ads as well.

Scary world I am not eager to experience.

[-] caseyweederman@lemmy.ca 26 points 9 months ago

I'm baffled when companies that self-host DNS don't have DNS-level adblocking.

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[-] MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 74 points 9 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Cornerstones of the internet:

  • social media
  • content sharing (video, audio media)
  • e-mail
  • websites

Internet resources ruined by ads/corporate greed:

  • social media (full of ads, borderline unusable without ad block)
  • content sharing (account sharing blocks (Netflix) war on adblockers (YouTube) etc)
  • e-mail (spam)
  • websites (ads, borderline unusable without adblockers, refuses to load with adblockers)

gg everyone. Time to reinvent everything.

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[-] LadyAutumn@lemmy.blahaj.zone 65 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Web 2.0 desperately clinging to life. FOSS self hosted web is the future. Internet speeds are fast enough on home networks that self hosting is perfectly viable for essentially everything, and for the few things that can't be self hosted by just anyone, FOSS alternatives and work arounds to existing paid services exist.

Internet is becoming harder to monopolize, and increasing amounts of power and control are being handed back to the working class online. FOSS has become a movement that has grown exponentially over the last few years.

Their next recourse will be attempting to make jail time a thing for piracy. Both for hosting it and downloading it.

[-] wewbull@iusearchlinux.fyi 26 points 9 months ago

There's certainly a bubble bursting. You only have to look at all the layoffs.fyi since COVID. I'm just hoping it's happening in a slow enough way that it's not going to take more legitimate companies with it.

AI is the next bubble. It will hit a brick wall either legally or just on functionality (maybe both). I can see uses for targeted models, bespoke to a use case, but training those is too expensive right now. General models are just toys IMHO. Unfortunately it's going to get a few years for everyone to realise.

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[-] ClamDrinker@lemmy.world 62 points 9 months ago

Lets be real - This isn't going to change on it's own. The only way for it to change is if everyone collectively took a stand against it. Which simply just won't happen. The most reasonable thing to do is to focus your energy on collectives that actively reject such practices. Oh hey, you're already in one: Lemmy, good job. As long as we work together to create a small corner of the internet that remains true to what the internet should be, we can grow it and create a better internet in the long term.

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[-] Manmikey@lemmy.world 55 points 9 months ago

For me the internet is still just about bearable but only because of the following....

Firefox + unlock origin for web browsing.

RedReader for Reddit when I occasionally need to go there.

Lemmy for the best Reddit alternative.

Revanced and NewPipe for YouTube.

Recently moved from Google podcasts to Podcast Republic after Google moved podcasts to you tube music.

Never had Twitter, Facebook, Snapchat, TikTok, Instagram.

Email is still functional and necessary so have to stick with that.

It feels like I'm swimming against a strong tide just to maintain a good experience, in no other industry do the major players want to cripple your goods and services if you don't bend over and accept their increasingly poor goods and services 🤷🏻‍♂️

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[-] theluddite@lemmy.ml 55 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

It's not a solution, but as a mitigation, I'm trying to push the idea of an internet right of way into the public consciousness. Here's the thesis statement from my write-up:

I propose that if a company wants to grow by allowing open access to its services to the public, then that access should create a legal right of way. Any features that were open to users cannot then be closed off so long as the company remains operational. We need an Internet Rights of Way Act, which enforces digital footpaths. Companies shouldn't be allowed to create little paths into their sites, only to delete them, forcing guests to pay if they wish to maintain access to the networks that they built, the posts that they wrote, or whatever else it is that they were doing there.

As I explain in the link, rights of way already exist for the physical world, so it's easily explained to even the less technically inclined, and give us a useful legal framework for how they should work.

[-] psivchaz@reddthat.com 24 points 9 months ago

I agree but I think it needs to be slightly more practical. Sometimes a line of business just dries up and it would damage the company to try and keep that service going. It wouldn't make sense to force a company into bankruptcy to keep one line going that few people use anymore.

Earlier today, though, I was thinking about sunsetting guarantees. Companies can and should decommission things when it makes business sense, but the user generated content it has gathered shouldn't just disappear, and they shouldn't be allowed to destroy the user experience of things people have bought.

So I would propose rules like:

  • If a service is being decomissioned or an entry point to that service being shut down, the content available on that service must be made available as a bulk export. Personal data, such as account data, messages, etc should be made available to users individually, while publicly accessible content should be made available publicly.

  • If a public service is being taken down completely, source code should be made available publicly.

  • If the service for a device which was physically purchased by consumers is being taken down, an update must be provided to allow users to use a local or alternative backend service. The source code for the service must be released publicly.

  • If features are being removed from a service which backed a physically purchased device, an update must be offered which allows users to point to a local or alternative service for either all functionality or, at minimum, the removed functionality. Looking at you, Google, keep removing features...

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[-] Mikina@programming.dev 45 points 8 months ago

I'm actually glad for it. It made me switch to Linux, discover Mullvad Browser and their VPN combo, get a GrapheneOS phone, find an amazing Freetube YT desktop client, and dabble with Home Assistant and PIHole. Plus I migrated to Protonmail and Kagi as my search, and Lemmy instead of reddit is also an amazing change, the discussions I've seen so far feel better and more in depth, and I'm enjoying my time here so far. The lack of endless content is also great, to help with implementing Digital Minimalism.

So, while I hate any large corporation and their greed with more and more passion, it has lead me to a nice privacy journey, for which I'm glad.

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[-] generic@iusearchlinux.fyi 43 points 9 months ago

I'd suggest the Firefox extension libredirect. Automatically redirects Twitter, Instagram, Reddit and more to alternative front-ends.

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[-] FartsWithAnAccent@kbin.social 41 points 9 months ago

I haven't noticed any slowdowns with Firefox and Ublock Origin.

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[-] TheWizardOfLimes@lemmy.today 40 points 9 months ago
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[-] zcd@lemmy.ca 38 points 9 months ago

Not to mention sites blacklisting VPN IPs

[-] Sheeple@lemmy.world 34 points 9 months ago

Try making an account without any of the 3 "approved" email addresses ᕕ( ᐛ )ᕗ

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[-] nifty@lemmy.world 34 points 9 months ago

It’s mostly people who refuse to stop using these services who ruin it for those who don’t. I think the solution is to make slick, idiot-proof and easy alternatives with sexy UIs so even the most insta, TikTok, YouTube addicted person wants to switch over. There’s no solution to monetization or ads which doesn’t fuck the experience of the alternative solution. Creating, instilling and appealing to an ideology will also help conversions.

That said, if you like someone’s content, then there’s nothing inherently wrong with you hoping for that person to be paid for it. Forcing ads is such a disgusting move, but any reasonable person wouldn’t mind paying to not to watch ads—there’s a cost to infrastructure maintenance that needs to be met, so it’s understandable. But I’d rather pay to a non-profit or utility.

In general, everyone should oppose big tech monopolies, and ask their politicians to legislate against them. Monopolies are the biggest threats to democracy.

[-] Thcdenton@lemmy.world 34 points 9 months ago

Lemmy is getting pretty good. I'm optimistic that more of the internet will be like this in the future.

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[-] thorbot@lemmy.world 32 points 9 months ago

I don’t watch YouTube any more.

Firefox still runs fine.

Most of my online reading is RSS feeds scraped into one place which is generally concise info.

My friends know not to send me Reddit, TikTok, or Insta shit.

Welcome to the New Web

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[-] mtchristo@lemm.ee 31 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Browsers are leading slower and slower

That's because of heavy use of JavaScript and frameworks like React. Websites like Facebook are a nightmare to deal with.

++ social media has killed personal blogs. Which is one of the biggest losses to me.

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[-] rab@lemmy.ca 30 points 9 months ago

Peak internet was like 10-15 years ago

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[-] SomeGuy69@lemmy.world 28 points 9 months ago

It's time for a new Internet with some guidelines. Like your content isn't viewable without account, you get kicked out of the DNS.

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[-] bstix@feddit.dk 25 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Honestly, I just use the internet less. I'm never going to pay. I can't be bothered with the loopholes anymore. If it bugs me to pay or subscribe, I leave. I'm fine with them not wanting me as a user, and I hope they're fine with me not wanting them as a supplier. They don't have anything that I actually need that badly.

Oddly enough I probably use the internet more than ever. It's just not that internet.

[-] madcaesar@lemmy.world 22 points 9 months ago

If youtube was a reasonable price I'd pay it. But being google, they not only charge a ridiculous price, but even if you pay that, they'll STILL sell your data on top.

Furthermore, it being a public company no profit will ever be enough. It doesn't matter if I paid 30$ a month, the next quarter the 30 billion profit won't be enough because it didn't grow from the previous quarter...

Fuck all that.

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[-] brown567@sh.itjust.works 25 points 9 months ago

It's actually making me go outside

I'm disgusted XD

[-] wurzelwerk@lemy.lol 21 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Thing is, most people don't want to pay for services that to them seemed to be free since forever. And this creates collective social pressure to follow suit. Nothing a big company offers is ever free. You're just paying in alternate currency.

[-] OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml 27 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Screw em companies, only Lemmy devs get my money.

https://join-lemmy.org/donate << btw

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[-] CoachDom@lemmy.blahaj.zone 20 points 8 months ago

No.1 Apparently not present on uBlock Origin, which makes it not a problem for me (though it's shite that they are doing it anyway). I don't use YouTube that often anyways.

No.2 You are not loosing a lot - it's most likely some crappy video about a guy slipping on a banana peel or some shit like this - 99.9% you are not missing on much :D

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[-] Mycatiskai@lemmy.ca 20 points 9 months ago

I look at Lemmy far less than I did Reddit.

I read only one subreddit still and it is Am I The Asshole, it is very easy to spot the ads because only one add matches the format of the posts. Anything that doesn't start with AITA is an ad.

That gives me way more time to read books that I have been putting off. Starting with a few books by Cory Doctorow who coined that term enshittification.

It is a lot easier to make time for reading when watching a video will mean an ad before, during, and after every 5 minute clip. I subscribe to a few news shows so I can listen to them as podcasts while I work to support without having ads.

[-] Zink@programming.dev 19 points 9 months ago

Maybe this is why I’ve been so ready to fully embrace Lemmy for my internetting. It’s the opposite of enshittified, as FOSS often is.

I’ll admit though, I pay for YouTube and get more bang for the buck than any other money I spend on entertainment. I’ve had it for a while though, and did not sign up because of their renewed war on ad blocking. Plus it’s nice that the creators get paid from my view, even though it’s not much.

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