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You do know you can just click the "reject all" button, right? (lemmy.world)

submitted 5 months ago by renzev@lemmy.world to c/memes@lemmy.world

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Context: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqhPUmyrfGI
Without ads/tracking: https://www.yewtu.be/watch?v=fqhPUmyrfGI

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[-] Stovetop@lemmy.world 151 points 5 months ago

BY ACCESSING THIS SITE YOU ACKNOWLEDGE THAT YOUTUBE (HEREBY REFERRED TO AS THE "PLATFORM") HAS THE ABILITY TO FORCE YOU (HEREBY REFERRED TO AS THE "SCHMUCK") TO AGREE IN PROXY TO ANY ABSURD CONDITION THE PLATFORM DECIDES, AMENDABLE AT ANY TIME WITHOUT NOTICE, AND WITH STIPULATION THAT THE SCHMUCK MAY NEVER EVER CHALLENGE THE PLATFORM IN COURT OR EVEN LOOK AT THE PLATFORM THE WRONG WAY WHILE WALKING BY ONE ANOTHER IN THE HALL, LEST IT HURT THE PLATFORM'S FEELINGS.

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[-] blender2142@lemmynsfw.com 87 points 5 months ago

By using the service, you agree to the TOS. What you are "rejecting all" to are cookies. Still scummy behavior tho

[-] CaptPretentious@lemmy.world 39 points 5 months ago

Considering many internet providers now have bandwidth caps, it is my policy do not allow arbitrary data on my network (aka ads). It's also my policy that my policy supersedes any arbitrary terms of services. And that any platform accessing my network henceforth retroactively accepts my policy and terms of service.

[-] maynarkh@feddit.nl 26 points 5 months ago

You could send that in a HTTP header, with the stipulation that the server responding would accept the terms.

[-] phoneymouse@lemmy.world 6 points 5 months ago

“By responding to this request, you implicitly accept my terms and conditions.”

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[-] MonkderZweite@feddit.ch 13 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Can't agree to terms i can't have read. Can't have read all the terms because the average day would require tens of hours only to read them, much less understanding them.

https://old.reddit.com/r/coolguides/comments/kuakx7/how_long_it_takes_to_read_the_tos_of_these/

https://www.pcmag.com/news/it-would-take-17-hours-to-read-the-terms-conditions-of-the-13-most-popular

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/mar/03/terms-of-service-online-contracts-fine-print

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[-] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 45 points 5 months ago

At a certain point, the world of the closed internet is going to face the issue of discovery, which is the only reason that they were successful in the first place.

Its really a great time for foss or fedi. It hasn't been easier to compete with established players (like it is now) in a decade.

[-] betterdeadthanreddit@lemmy.world 41 points 5 months ago

Those might be the terms of service they started with but a little "Inspect Element" and editing means I agreed to something else entirely.

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[-] Mio@feddit.nu 35 points 5 months ago

I don't get WHY I have to choose. Default should be reject all. If there is no reject then just accept it. How hard can this be to get on the Internet?

I hate the cookie popup.

[-] Lightfire228@pawb.social 24 points 5 months ago

You have to choose because they want that data, so they're gonna make "accept all" the default and "reject all" as hard as legally possible

[-] Mio@feddit.nu 7 points 5 months ago

Think about it like walking into a store, but before you enter you have to agree to the tos and sign. You see how bad that would be to the user experience. Today I believe the store can track you as much as they want to. There is no opt out.

[-] psud@lemmy.world 7 points 5 months ago

The loyalty card is the cookie

[-] Ashelyn@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 5 months ago

The thing is, too, that remembering your decision to reject all has to be done through a cookie, and they know this and take advantage of that fact! 99.9% of websites only offer a choice that makes you dig through at least one menu, or a choice that makes you have to click the 'reject all' button every time the page reloads.

There needs to be a mandate to add an option to "reject all except my decision to reject" that corresponds to a single boolean. It should exist under a standardized id, and if it's set to true, the site would be required to stop showing you cookie popups. And if the cookie contains anything more than that single boolean and the website it applies to at most, it should be illegal and reportable as such.

Of course, as you mentioned, that would probably be quite difficult to accomplish legally.

[-] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

You're allowed to store that decision in a cookie already, it's considered "necessary" or whatever

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[-] Scubus@sh.itjust.works 30 points 5 months ago

I don't care about your terms of service. You can attempt to stop me from using an ad-blocker, but there are ways around that.

If you don't want me using your service the way I want to, then there should be another service that does the same thing. As long as there is no competition to YouTube, I'll use it the way I want, TOS be damned.

[-] Sheeple@lemmy.world 29 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

And repeat after me: controlling what appears on YOUR screen that YOU OWN is not illegal and in fact, a basic human right of yours

Edit: lmao on the people intentionally misinterpreting what I said. Dude it's my device, kindly fuck off if you think anyone gets to tell me what I HAVE to put on there

[-] haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.com 8 points 5 months ago

Your iconic username pops up a lot in such discussions. Thanks for being awesome.

[-] Scubus@sh.itjust.works 5 points 5 months ago

Fr I felt like a celeb responded to me

[-] Sheeple@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago

And imagine to me many of you are celebs :)

[-] MyDearWatson616@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago

I block ads too but do you expect them to host one of the world's largest collections of data just because?

[-] mhague@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago

Repeat after me: I will have the self-awareness to realize that I made the conscious decision to go to a website and incur server costs. I am not entitled to free content. If I don't agree with how a website recoups costs, I won't use that website.

It's not malware vectors. It's not fake downloads. It's short interstitials that let you watch things 'for free.' Youtube is not a human right. It's not water. You can do other things.

[-] CurlyMoustache@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago

What happens on my devices and/or inside my home, I decide. If websites don't like that, block me. I'm OK with that.

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[-] justlookingfordragon@lemmy.world 25 points 5 months ago

As someone with a youtube channel and regular uploads ... fuck ads. Use uBlock Origin, Adblock Plus or whatever else works to wipe that garbage off the screen.

I'm extra sour about their suuuuuper useful new-ish option for content creators to turn off personalized ads in their channels - something I immediatly agreed to, because I thought it would, ... y'now ... get rid of the fucking ads.

Nope. All it does is swap "personalized" ads for "unpersonalized" ones, so my followers get the same type of garbage shoved into their faces, just more random. Thanks Youtube, this is exactly what I wanted to achieve. dripping sarcasm, in case it wasn't obvious

[-] lud@lemm.ee 5 points 5 months ago

unpersonalized ads are much better for privacy and are less effective at selling stuff which is better for the user.

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[-] Exusia@lemmy.world 22 points 5 months ago

I agreed to it because there's no real competition for content, so they own the market by default. If you don't hit "I agree" to every last stipulation, data provision, and term you dont have access to the the largest library of information, shitposting, and weaponised opinions since dawn of radio or television.

I don't agree with it. So adblock stays.

[-] MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz 21 points 5 months ago

You can reject cookies, not the TOS. You agree to the TOS of services by simply using them.

[-] Sheeple@lemmy.world 12 points 5 months ago

Not in the EU you don't

[-] MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz 13 points 5 months ago

Well, you do. But the EU has a bunch of sanity check laws that make basically all of them non-binding.

Such as any agreement too long for anyone to actually read, being moot.

But YT makes it pretty clear they don't want you blocking ads, that might actually make that specific part one of the few things that would stand up in court.

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[-] mlg@lemmy.world 15 points 5 months ago

This reminds me of how when reddit closed their API, a select few just went to web scraping it instead lol.

[-] GilgameshCatBeard@lemmy.ca 6 points 5 months ago

Many others just stopped using Reddit alltogether. But Stockholm syndrome is a bitch when it comes to YouTube. So everyone will continue to whine about how shitty YouTube is whilst not bothering to do what is necessary to correct it-

[-] Krafting@lemmy.world 13 points 5 months ago

Here also: https://odysee.com/@rossmanngroup:a/youtube's-adblock-detection-might-break:c

[-] renzev@lemmy.world 7 points 5 months ago

Oh, he's on odysee? Nice!

[-] LemmyRefugee@lemmy.world 6 points 5 months ago

And what about Spain with cookies, or Instagram? A lot of places now either force you to accept tracking or pay to stop ads/tracking if you want to access the site.