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Preface: this is not white apologia, I am not white, I am a pure asiatic mongoloid barbarian. With that being said----

There seems to be a sentiment that is largely a holdover from the liberal beliefs about 'bad apples' in our gene pool or whatever. Some people seem to think that we could solve all our problems by not allowing these bad apples to have children. It seems pretty straightforward, right? Parents pass traits to their offspring, you get rid of the bad parents, and you won't have the offspring having bad traits.

Well.... aside from that being borderline eugenics, it's also bullshit. Not completely bullshit, but pretty much bullshit.

AS FAR AS WE KNOW, BELIEFS ARE NOT HERITABLE. This means that if your parents were bloodthirsty fascists, you are not necessarily a bloodthirsty fascist. Heritable traits are generally much simpler (and by simpler I mean comparatively simpler--- even things like eye color needs hundreds of genes, each thousands of bases long, to be coordinated) than behavioral traits. Which means, aside from a few very, very basic instincts OUR BELIEFS ARE LEARNED AND NOT INHERITED FROM OUR PARENTS. While parents can influence your beliefs heavily as an environmental factor they don't just magically give you ideas when you're born.

So there. It feels good to want to murder bad people but just know that until we fundamentally restructure society, killing them will just be like trying to fill up a river by draining it with a sponge.

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[-] davel@lemmygrad.ml 19 points 8 months ago

Is this a bit? Who in their right mind thinks that beliefs are heritable? Virtually everyone agrees that we learn them from our families in early childhood and from our communities in later childhood.

There is some ongoing research on epigenetic transgenerational trauma theory, which—assuming it even holds water—wouldn’t be a transmission of ideology.

[-] Jonathan12345@lemmygrad.ml 14 points 8 months ago

I saw something that might've implied this, so I posted this just in case.

[-] relay@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 8 months ago

remembering this fact reminded me why silicon based lifeforms are unlikely. They'd need to exhale silicon dioxide which is a solid mineral. (quartz)

[-] DankZedong@lemmygrad.ml 18 points 8 months ago

Also, if you honestly think murdering all white people is an option, please log off the internet for a while and go touch grass. You sometimes see this take on Lemmygrad and it's not a healthy one.

[-] redtea@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 8 months ago

Good advice. Sometimes the sentiment can be read in the same way as 'death to Amerikkka': a call to abolish racial categories.

[-] DamarcusArt@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

That's how I always saw it, as a call to abolish "whiteness" not the "white genocide" CHUDs are always screaming about. I didn't realise anyone was saying it here in complete seriousness.

[-] ComradePupIvy@lemmygrad.ml 11 points 8 months ago

Just to be clear though, we are still allowed to guliteen Jeff Bezos and Elon Musk right

[-] Jonathan12345@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 8 months ago

Absolutely.

[-] porcupine@lemmygrad.ml 9 points 8 months ago

This is a weird tirade against an argument that nobody's seriously making. Even most hyperbolic "kill all whites" rhetoric isn't based on the premise that white supremacy is genetically heritable, it's based on the fact that actually existing white society teaches the reproduction of white supremacist culture. Killing all white people isn't a realistic solution to eliminate white supremacy, but it is infinitely more realistic than the ubiquitous alternative solution of personally persuading every individual white person to stop being racist. "Kill all whites" is the ironic rhetorical reaction to the earnestly held belief by the majority of white society that an end to imperialism would constitute "white genocide".

The elimination of white supremacy doesn't require literally killing all whites, but it absolutely does require the destruction of actually existing white society on a global scale, which will necessarily involve killing many white people that have been raised from birth to prefer death to equality.

Unless there's a statistically significant number of people taking real life political action to literally purge white people from the gene pool that I've somehow missed (the entire history of "Western civilization" being largely the opposite), it's difficult for me not infer the standard ubiquitous Anglophone white settler apologia from this whole bit. Unlike whatever hypothetical idea you're trying to refute, I can't go outside without running into a real person that believes "reparations and affirmative action are reverse racist because it's not my fault my family owned slaves and Dr. King said we shouldn't be judged based on the color of our skin!"

[-] Jonathan12345@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

I'M NOT WHITE

this is just a take I've seen a couple of times that's kind of weird. Plus I just like biology, is there anything wrong with that?

[-] LarkinDePark@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 8 months ago

I've seen it too and argued against it. I linked an example in my comment that you removed because you misunderstood what I was saying. I completely agreed with you.

[-] Jonathan12345@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 8 months ago
[-] relay@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 8 months ago

I don't go on twitter often but I've heard that most people that do become what their enemies think of them, so I avoid it. Is there a group on twitter that wants white genocide hitler style? People like that are what the fascists see in the mirror with different pigmentation. They both say "better them than me" as if peace is not a preferable alternative.

On the basis of people not inheriting the beliefs of their ancestors necessarily, a more interesting contentious issue of ethnic minorities using using their status as minorities to exploit others in the manner western culture, but lead by some minority. Or some may ask if the exploitation is different than the western forms of exploitation, it should be reconsidered.

I'd like to live in a world where people look deeper at the institutional structures of racism to combat it rather than looking at the skin tone or any other minority indicator of the people speaking.

This is probably because modern liberalism, just like fascism essentializes race. It has lead to more positive representation of minorities in media and leadership positions, which is good, but the liberalism still remains. (thinking about ice cube and Morgan Freeman kicking the ladder down now that they are at the top)

I've seen a bunch of literature on the problems and causes of racism and effects of racism but I'm not familiar with a whole lot of literature on socialist solutions. I think we need to discuss practical solutions. Obviously we'll need the input of minorities directly effected. I'd be happy to hear lists of attempts to eliminate racism in socialist nations and their concequences.

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