this post was submitted on 26 Feb 2024
186 points (97.9% liked)

News

36491 readers
2505 users here now

Welcome to the News community!

Rules:

1. Be civil


Attack the argument, not the person. No racism/sexism/bigotry. Good faith argumentation only. This includes accusing another user of being a bot or paid actor. Trolling is uncivil and is grounds for removal and/or a community ban. Do not respond to rule-breaking content; report it and move on.


2. All posts should contain a source (url) that is as reliable and unbiased as possible and must only contain one link.


Obvious biased sources will be removed at the mods’ discretion. Supporting links can be added in comments or posted separately but not to the post body. Sources may be checked for reliability using Wikipedia, MBFC, AdFontes, GroundNews, etc.


3. No bots, spam or self-promotion.


Only approved bots, which follow the guidelines for bots set by the instance, are allowed.


4. Post titles should be the same as the article used as source. Clickbait titles may be removed.


Posts which titles don’t match the source may be removed. If the site changed their headline, we may ask you to update the post title. Clickbait titles use hyperbolic language and do not accurately describe the article content. When necessary, post titles may be edited, clearly marked with [brackets], but may never be used to editorialize or comment on the content.


5. Only recent news is allowed.


Posts must be news from the most recent 30 days.


6. All posts must be news articles.


No opinion pieces, Listicles, editorials, videos, blogs, press releases, or celebrity gossip will be allowed. All posts will be judged on a case-by-case basis. Mods may use discretion to pre-approve videos or press releases from highly credible sources that provide unique, newsworthy content not available or possible in another format.


7. No duplicate posts.


If an article has already been posted, it will be removed. Different articles reporting on the same subject are permitted. If the post that matches your post is very old, we refer you to rule 5.


8. Misinformation is prohibited.


Misinformation / propaganda is strictly prohibited. Any comment or post containing or linking to misinformation will be removed. If you feel that your post has been removed in error, credible sources must be provided.


9. No link shorteners or news aggregators.


All posts must link to original article sources. You may include archival links in the post description. News aggregators such as Yahoo, Google, Hacker News, etc. should be avoided in favor of the original source link. Newswire services such as AP, Reuters, or AFP, are frequently republished and may be shared from other credible sources.


10. Don't copy entire article in your post body


For copyright reasons, you are not allowed to copy an entire article into your post body. This is an instance wide rule, that is strictly enforced in this community.

founded 2 years ago
MODERATORS
 

When it comes to safety culture at Boeing, there is a “disconnect” between senior management and workers, and employees responsible for checking the company’s planes question whether they can raise issues without fear of retaliation, according to a panel of outside experts.

The aviation-industry and government experts also said safety training and procedures at Boeing are constantly changing, leading to confusion among employees.

The comments were contained in a report Monday to the Federal Aviation Administration. Congress ordered the study in 2020, when it passed legislation to reform how the FAA certifies new planes after two deadly crashes involving Boeing 737 Max jetliners.

Safety at Boeing is being re-examined after last month’s blowout of an emergency door panel on an Alaska Airlines Max jet. Accident investigators said in a preliminary report that bolts used to help hold the panel in place were missing after the plane underwent repairs at Boeing’s factory in Renton, Washington.

top 23 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[–] Kaput@lemmy.world 61 points 2 years ago (3 children)

...has made changes that have reduced the chance of retaliation against employees who report safety problems...

There should be ZERO chances of retaliation. Reporting safety problem should be rewarded. and not just safety problems, any non-conformity must be properly documented and acted on.

[–] EdibleFriend@lemmy.world 29 points 2 years ago

This isn't even just a job standpoint. Retaliation in general can be illegal (well...depending. I know that gets messy) but in an industry like this? holy fuck that should not just be a lawsuit or some shit. That should be straight up fucking jailtime.

[–] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 16 points 2 years ago

This is a huge thing at hospitals. You need a just culture where employees have the psychological safety to report issues otherwise people die.

[–] neptune@dmv.social 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I mean yeah but when you have 50,000 employees there's like 20,000 of them in a management position.

[–] Kaput@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Roles and responsibilities. People who's role is to report non conformities should not be managed by people who 's role is to deliver on time. That's a conflict of interest. That goes all the way up the chain of command. Manufacturing and quality are meant to be independant.

[–] neptune@dmv.social 2 points 2 years ago

Yes absolutely. That should winnow down the number of people responsible for the culture a bit.

But you also have people reporting to Operations (not quality) who will discover defects. And then they either need to feel empowered to inform quality or their manager.

Independent quality function does not completely solve the culture problem. In fsct, I'd bet their quality organization is independent.

[–] june@lemmy.world 34 points 2 years ago (1 children)

My friend is an engineer at Boeing and she has had a hell of a time lately due to all the extra work coming through. She’s still being pushed to move forward even if the planes aren’t ready, and the executive team is blaming the engineers. It’s fucking wild.

[–] IamSparticles@lemmy.zip 4 points 2 years ago

My wife has been with Boeing for about 16 years. She works in finance though. Still, I hear from her constantly about how ass backwards everything they do is. I'm convinced the company is going to be broken up and sold off in pieces one of these days.

[–] raynethackery@lemmy.world 27 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Entire management team needs to be removed and revamped. Still will take a long time to regain trust.

[–] Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social 24 points 2 years ago (1 children)

As a society I feel we are over managed and over administered. Colleges, hospitals, and companies have dozens of highly paid executives and administrators who add little value and do even less work.

[–] snooggums@midwest.social 17 points 2 years ago (2 children)

The primary problem is that centralized decision making is necessary, but the type of people who seek out those positions tend to be power hungry and make changes to establish their authority instead of making decisions based on what is actually best for the organization.

[–] Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social 9 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I don’t think decision making needs to be nearly as centralized as it is. David Graeber wrote - I think in Bullshit Jobs but maybe something else - about a nursing company in the Netherlands where it’s broken into democratic work groups. They have low overhead and high patient and worker satisfaction.

By putting the decision making closer to the work I think you get better decisions.

Edit: I looked it up and it was Rutger Bregman in "Humankind"

[–] zqwzzle@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 years ago

“The major problem—one of the major problems, for there are several—one of the many major problems with governing people is that of whom you get to do it; or rather of who manages to get people to let them do it to them. To summarize: it is a well-known fact that those people who must want to rule people are, ipso facto, those least suited to do it. To summarize the summary: anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job.” Douglas Adams

[–] el_twitto@lemmy.world 15 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Quality and safety will always be at odds with the bottom line.

[–] Contestant@lemmy.world 16 points 2 years ago

This is the real disconnect. As long as executives' pay are related to profits or stock prices, they will never make safety the #1 priority.

[–] RemembertheApollo@kbin.social 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

In Boeing's case that's probably the reality of the last couple decades. The beancounters have gotten in the way of Safety.

[–] KnightontheSun@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago

Brought to you by McDonnell Douglas.

[–] pearsaltchocolatebar@discuss.online 13 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I flew in an exit row on a 737 last week. I kinda want to get a shirt made commemorating my survival.

[–] Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social 7 points 2 years ago

Make it look like a roller coaster and have it say “I survived THE MAX”

[–] Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago (2 children)

The neat part is that if Airbus starts having safety problems there’s exactly zero other competition.

[–] sygnius@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

COMAC, but there would be no way a new manufacturer would be able to keep up with global demand.

https://skift.com/2024/02/25/can-chinas-new-plane-compete-with-airbus-and-boeing/

Airbus doesn't have the safety issues Boeing has. Airbus put in the proper R&D including safety into the A320neo to make it a safe plane. Boeing needed to play catch up to make something that could compete against Airbus's plane and decided to cut corners.

[–] CarbonIceDragon@pawb.social 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Embraer? For the smaller types of airliners at least

[–] Murvel@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago

Owned by Boeing