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[–] emi@lemmy.blahaj.zone 13 points 2 years ago

Here is a crazy idea, Pay Workers A Livable Wage and price goods accordingly... that is the easiest step forward as I would be tempted to ask for more because profits are unpaid wages.

[–] Lols@lemm.ee 8 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

from the netherlands where this nonsense is starting to take root, i refuse to pay more than it said on the bill

i do not order or buy from places that dont include taxes in the price tag and report them whenever i come across them, i refuse to order from places that dont include the deposit on cans and bottles in the price tag, and i refuse to to tip people for just doing their job

ill tip if i messed something up, but i dont see any reason why i should pay someone extra for doing what their job requires them to do, especially since theyre at worst making the same minimum wage i am

[–] z2k_@lemmy.nz 2 points 2 years ago

Same in NZ. We have a high minimum wage and already pay pretty high prices for everything.

Some Eftpos/Credit card terminals will even ask if you want to tip when you make a payment. Such an awkward moment pressing “No” right in front of the person serving you.

[–] ABluManOnLemmy@feddit.nl 6 points 2 years ago

I'm glad to have moved from a country where taxes and (high) expected tips are on top of the price, to a country where tax is included in the price and tips are usually not expected. It makes a surprising difference in affordability when you can actually buy a €5 item with €5.

As soon as companies started asking for tips at self check-out, it became obvious that it's just a way of trying to underpay their staff and shift that responsibility on the customer.

[–] HisNoodlyServant@beehaw.org 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I am so tired of it. Pay your god damn employees.

[–] Snapz@beehaw.org 7 points 2 years ago (1 children)

A solicitation for tip BEFORE any service is rendered is essentially blackmail.

"Hey, not for nothing, but sometimes pancakes can fall on the floor before they get into your to-go bag... I'm just saying... Anyways, here's this tip screen, no pressure [holds eye contact]"

[–] ProfessorZhu@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 2 years ago

Said absolutely no service worker ever

[–] grizzzlay@beehaw.org 5 points 2 years ago

I appreciate the sentiment from most folks here that this culture is ridiculous and that we should not take part. I’ve been told the more effective way to eliminate tipping culture is to vote in elections and it was so astoundingly tone deaf. Another reason why I like it here!

[–] ProfessorZhu@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (4 children)

I didn't expect one of the things to carry over from reddit is the rabid anti tipping culture and abunch of people making up shit to justify their preferences.

I now have a job that gets tips, if someone doesn't tip IDC, the overall tips are good and I don't know the story of the person not tipping. When I give a funny look is when someone hits the no tip button and looks up at me like they're waiting for some kind of response.

I don't have time to care about your financial state, you all are just making up shit in your heads to justify shit to yourselves

[–] noodle@feddit.uk 12 points 2 years ago (8 children)

Tipping isn't prevalent here so your comment seems strange to me. I'd never tip unless service was above and beyond. The reason why is that I feel companies use tips to depress wages, and tipping culture puts pressure on customers and not the company.

I don't see why you're angry at people who choose not to give you money in a system that allows them to choose, when the system is clearly the issue.

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[–] cobra89@beehaw.org 4 points 2 years ago

Went to a concert the other day and they were asking for tip on their $6 hot dogs. The options were 20% 25% and 30% and no option for custom lol.

I'm not tipping at a concert concession stand when stuff is already outrageously overpriced. GTFOH.

[–] Spitfire@pawb.social 3 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Tipping is absolutely everywhere and it feels like a lot of these screens default to 20% or more. And the employees usually give you a look if you change it to below that or no tip at all.

A sit-down restaurant I understand for your server, but I still disagree with it and feel that they should just be paid a normal wage, not dependent on the tips. But I'm not going to tip for takeout 9/10 times.

Also how do we even know, as customers, if the tip is actually going to the employees?

[–] LimitedBrain@beehaw.org 5 points 2 years ago (3 children)

No no, don't feel bad about hitting that 0% button. I feel like this is a PSA but in the USA if you tip a minimum wage (untipped) employee, THEY WILL NOT GET YOUR TIP. Severs get paid on tips and a minimum wage (tipped) of about $2.50. Tipping a normal employee (on screens, not cash) will just mean that the employer has to pay them less wages. Seriously? Yes seriously. You can tip at subway, the only person getting that money is subway.

[–] CarnivorousCouch@beehaw.org 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Strictly speaking, this isn't true throughout the entire US. Wait staff in Washington, for example, get paid the full state minimum wage, and the minimum wage act explicitly requires that tips be paid to employees rather than retained by the restaurant. Of course, actual practice or compliance can differ, but there are a few states with better laws than the norm.

[–] LimitedBrain@beehaw.org 3 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I appreciate the added details. As far as I'm aware, they aren't keeping the tips. But it is legal to pay a tipped employee down to about $2/hr in every state. So most places like Sonic will reduce your pay when you get tips and you claim the tips (which you're required to do wink wink). So rather than Sonic just paying their employees $10/hr at minimum wage, they'll pay them $5/hr assuming $5 in tips. Saves the company money and the servers don't make much more than normal minimum wage while the customer fronts their wages.

Isn't that lovely?

[–] ricecake@beehaw.org 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I feel like how you're describing it makes it sound more complicated than it is.

All employees are required to make minimum wage.
If your tips don't take you over minimum wage, your employer has to pay the difference.

So tips given before you get to minimum wage just reduce how much your boss needs to spend to make up the difference. Once you get there, your boss has to pay you at least some very small quantity and the tips increase your take-home

It's a stupid system and exploitative, but it's not as "wink wink nudge nudge" as you made it sound.

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[–] salarua@sopuli.xyz 2 points 2 years ago

not in every state. in Washington, my home state, there's no such thing as a tipped wage and employers must pay all tips to employees. does this always happen? no, but it is illegal unlike what you're claiming

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[–] Swallowtail@beehaw.org 2 points 2 years ago

I never tip with takeout. The only way to stop the cancer of tipping from spreading is to refuse to buy in to it. Pay your damn employees a living wage and then they don't need tips!

[–] idealium@beehaw.org 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

A large portion of you in the replies don't feel like they should be obligated to tip because they feel it's up to the employer to properly compensate their workers, and yet they feel comfortable enjoying the product of these exploited workers' labor. My question to all of you is, if you care about worker exploitation, why don't you, the consumer, speak out against this practice directly? Call employers out, speak to the workers, see what you can do to help them organize. If you can't be bothered to do any of that, consider not dog-piling on the worker for the faults of their employer by deciding not to tip and making it harder for workers to organize. It seems to me that by not tipping, you're just helping employers and not workers.

[–] dwindling7373@feddit.it 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It's called voting. Most people do that.

Tip culture is an obvious moral blackmail. While being against it I tend to go with it in countries that struggle moving past slavery.

To a certain extent if everybody stopped tipping things would change probably faster than by any political mean anyway.

[–] idealium@beehaw.org 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

If absolutely everybody stopped tipping in America this instant maybe something would change. But that's not going to happen, just as voting tipping away won't happen. It's incredibly easy to sway people who have no opinion on the matter (more than you'd think) to believe that tips are good and necessary and actually beneficial to the worker. And the people/entities most motivated to argue this (employers) happen to have the money to throw into shifting public thought on the matter. No, the only real solution is worker organization, and the only way workers can organize is if they have the resources (time, energy, money) to do so, also external support can help.

[–] wholemilk@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (5 children)

I ordered food from a place with zero human interaction. I ordered from a tablet and picked up my food from the counter after receiving a text. I was still asked to tip. At that point, I didn't even know what I was supposed to be tipping for.

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[–] LootGoblin42@beehaw.org 2 points 2 years ago (3 children)

I ordered some stuff to get delivered from Walmart, and they wanted me to tip the delivery driver! Fuck that! I'm not going to tip for that. Pay the drivers a living wage! If they don't get tips and don't get paid enough, then these companies just wont have drivers anymore.

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[–] ed2417@beehaw.org 2 points 2 years ago (5 children)

I was ordering a pizza online for pickup. When it prompted for a tip at checkout I canceled the order. This is the worst case scenario in my book.

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[–] TheTrueLinuxDev@beehaw.org 2 points 2 years ago (12 children)

Yeah, I actually stop going out for any restaurant or outing ever since the tip inflation went out of control. I just rather spend the money on a cooking class and cook things myself. I really encourage everyone else to do the same, you save a lot of money, and you can add whatever creativity you want to the meal.

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[–] BurningnnTree@lemmy.one 1 points 2 years ago (3 children)

I made an online order for a restaurant a while ago, and there was a tip option with a message that said "100% of tips go toward supporting the restaurant." First of all that's a super vague statement, and secondly, that's not what tips are for. Tips are for supporting the specific people who serve me, not for supporting the restaurant as a whole. Why would I want to leave a tip when I don't even know where the money is going.

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[–] Drusas@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago (3 children)

If you can't afford to pay your employees a decent wage, you should raise your prices or you shouldn't be in business.

There are a few places here in Seattle which have eliminated tipping, raised prices, and raised wages. I greatly prefer this, personally speaking. Add no, I'm not going to start tipping every random cashier just because they start prompting me to.

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