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[-] iyaerP@lemmy.world 103 points 5 months ago

That's not Paul, that's his son who turns into the worm.

[-] Rusty@lemmy.ca 84 points 5 months ago

Leto II mentioned that Paul also saw the Golden Path, but was too weak to implement it and instead went into the desert as the Preacher. It wasn't mentioned that worm transformation was required for the Golden Path to succeed, but it gave Leto longevity to oversee it.

What I'm trying to say is that Paul likely thought about transforming into the worm.

[-] Moneo@lemmy.world 41 points 5 months ago

My interpretation agrees with you. I suppose it's possible he only saw the thousands of years of being a tyrant and was rejecting that. But I still think he saw the worm transformation.

[-] makeshiftreaper@lemmy.world 40 points 5 months ago

Major Dune spoilers:

Isn't that pretty explicit in Children? Leto II frequently chastises his genetic memory father/actual father for being a coward to afraid to commit to the golden path. Paul saw where the golden path led and couldn't do it so he becomes the Preacher whereas Leto saw what was needed to guide humanity and thus sacrificed his to become The Tyrant

[-] Kvoth@lemmy.world 46 points 5 months ago

When the preacher saw leto fused with the sand worms he said something to the effect of "so you've chosen that path". Which more than slightly implies he did see the worm part

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[-] Kachilde@lemmy.world 30 points 5 months ago

It’s really getting to me how many people are memeing Paul turning into a worm.

It feels like it’s a fact that was misinterpreted from one of those “7 CRAZY Things that Happen in the DUNE Novels - You’ll never believe number 6!” Videos. But because they haven’t read the books, they assume it must be Paul that worms out because he’s the Main Character, right?

[-] VindictiveJudge@lemmy.world 12 points 5 months ago

Little do people know the real main character of the saga died in the first act of the first book.

[-] antonim@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 5 months ago

I get the frustration but it's still funny.

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[-] FartsWithAnAccent@fedia.io 41 points 5 months ago
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[-] waterSticksToMyBalls@lemmy.world 39 points 5 months ago

What if I were a dirty hobo philosopher who shows up unexpected in like 20 years?

[-] AliasVortex@lemmy.world 15 points 5 months ago

Depends, can you see the future?

[-] Magnetar@feddit.de 16 points 5 months ago

Depends on the amount of mind altering drugs I'm currently on.

[-] peopleproblems@lemmy.world 8 points 5 months ago

He can't even see in front of him

[-] horsey@lemm.ee 31 points 5 months ago

A worm? God Emperor. It all goes weird when he splits into sandpuppies though.

[-] db2@lemmy.world 21 points 5 months ago
[-] Oiconomia@feddit.de 21 points 5 months ago

How many Duncan Idahos can you need

[-] GunValkyrie@lemmy.world 11 points 5 months ago

All of them.

[-] VindictiveJudge@lemmy.world 7 points 5 months ago

Better question - How many Duncan Idahos does it take to screw in a lightbulb?

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[-] skulblaka@startrek.website 6 points 5 months ago

I need 2 Duncan Idahos per every Jan Michael Vincent

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[-] niktemadur@lemmy.world 20 points 5 months ago

You skipped a generation. Let's wait and see who they cast as Leto II and Ghanima for Children Of Dune... if they get there at all.

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[-] therealjcdenton@lemmy.zip 18 points 5 months ago

Weird fashion style to have your nose hair braided to your hair, I think you should shave it tho

[-] Katana314@lemmy.world 14 points 5 months ago

“Yeah you’re right”

shaves it off, dies of dehydration two hours later

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 15 points 5 months ago
[-] galoisghost@aussie.zone 15 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Become a worm, to do what your father was too scared to. Rule as a tyrant for three thousand years to fundamentally shake shit up and keep shit shook up. Die. Shit comes back as if nothing ever happened.

(I haven’t read Heretics and ChapterHouse for a while)

[-] NoSpiritAnimal@lemmy.world 8 points 5 months ago

I think the last coming back was a Brian Herbert thing because Frank spent too much time beating his children and not enough telling them that Paul is actually a bad guy.

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[-] gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 5 months ago

Should we tell them about that time every major character gets reborn as a child clone thousands of years later so they can be chased by 2 beings, one of which is named Marty?

No, not yet? Ok....

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[-] flambonkscious@sh.itjust.works 13 points 5 months ago

I like this template - this might be better than Anakin v Padmé

[-] hsr@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 5 months ago

A blank template for your duneposting needs (I pulled it from a trailer so the frames don't quite match, but image quality is better)

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[-] casmael@lemm.ee 9 points 5 months ago

This is an absolutely outstanding meme my good fellow hear hear well done and jolly good show what

[-] Tier1BuildABear@lemmy.world 8 points 5 months ago

"I can control genital temperature."

"Layla had her orgasm."

Seriously, Frank and George must've been friends at some point (Lucas or R. R. Martin, take your pick, they're both pervs lol)

[-] feedum_sneedson@lemmy.world 6 points 5 months ago

It's not perverted for a woman to have an orgasm.

[-] ALoafOfBread@lemmy.ml 25 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

God Emperor has a lot of super cringey stuff in it. This is, imo, the worst. In addition to being cringey, it is maybe some of the worst writing I have ever seen.

Basically, Duncan Idaho is climbing this like 3km tall wall for reasons that I won't get into while Nayla (who is one of Leto II's weird mutant fanatical female bodyguards/soldiers who he orders to have sex with his enemies/allies for political reasons) gets progressively hornier, saying things like "[if Duncan climbs that wall] I think I'll have an orgasm". This goes on for a whole chapter. Like 30+ pages of this iirc. Then Duncan finishes climbing the wall and Hugo and Nebula award winning author Frank Herbert ends this weird horny fanfic of a chapter with "And then Nayla had her orgasm". The whole thing is ridiculously gratuitous, serves almost no purpose, and drags on in a book that already seriously needed to be edited.

[-] frezik@midwest.social 10 points 5 months ago

I once asked my wife if Jason Momoa could make a woman come just by climbing a mountain. They said yes, so I guess he was perfectly cast.

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[-] psmgx@lemmy.world 7 points 5 months ago

What if our kids are abominations, and one turns into a worm?

[-] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 7 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

I'm pretty sure I've only read "Dune" and nothing else in the series. I didn't know there were even more than 1 book until the last movie was being hyped up.

Are they as good? Better? Weirder? What ends up being the actual main plot of the story as a whole?

[-] negativeyoda@lemmy.world 21 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Messiah is good

Children is decent but spotty

God Emperor is essentially a fever dream. I was like WTF while reading it but I love how off the rails it went.

The last couple are kind of meandering and forgettable.

The immediate prequels (house books) are a fun read and plotted well, but his kid isn't as good of a writer as poppa Herbert

The legends books are garbage

The last 2 books that tie up the original series (hunters and sandworms) are not good and are infuriating in that elements from the legends books are reintroduced as deus ex machina bullshit. I saw the twist coming halfway through the last book.

I never read any of the other gap filler books that have been written in that universe. It got tiresome

Everything up until God Emperor is worthwhile with the prequels being a fun appetizer. Read the synopses of the others if you need to know what happens

[-] yimby@lemmy.ca 11 points 5 months ago

As with most sci-fi the author gets loopier in the later books. That being said:

  • Dune: masterpiece of philosophy, one of the best books ever put to print
  • Dune Messiah: a worthy sequel and must read after the first book; completes Paul's arc
  • Children of Dune: more plot driven than the first, but still thematically rich and entertaining.
  • God Emperor of Dune: the most divisive of the books: you love it or you hate it. I am in the love it camp, the book is unhinged and the themes are marvelous. This is where I'd stop a read of the series.
  • Chapterhouse and the other (Heretics?): forgettable in my opinion, simply because I've forgotten them. Later book fan opinions welcome.
  • anything Brian Herbert: not terrible but not awfully good either. Makes for decent light reading I guess, and there's good lore building in some of the books despite some unforgivable retcons (Agemmemnon, sigh)
[-] VindictiveJudge@lemmy.world 6 points 5 months ago

Heretics and Chapterhouse are also weirdly horny. Sure, sex was always a big part of how the Bene Gesserit operated, but when they were made the hero faction it got... weird...

Those two books also fully raised Duncan to be the main character, though, and they introduced Miles Teg, so they have that going for them.

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