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[–] bennieandthez@lemmygrad.ml 40 points 2 years ago

"they forced us to do this!" all they had to do was cooperate and fucking get to work

[–] AnarchoBolshevik@lemmygrad.ml 38 points 2 years ago (1 children)

You joke, but it is actually pretty easy to find antisocialists who seriously blame us for the atrocities that they committed.

[–] SovereignState@lemmygrad.ml 20 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] AdlachGyfiawn@lemmygrad.ml -4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

I usually like ProleWiki but I'm not sure I can get behind this article. They leave out that Soviet calibers were found in the bodies, don't mention the testimony of Dmitry Tokarev, and cite Grover Furr, who is a meme for obvious reasons. It comes off as grasping at straws.

[–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml 12 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Did you ever read any of Furr's books? He source and explain his methodology 5 times better than most of the so called "historians" out there.

[–] casskaydee@hexbear.net 6 points 2 years ago

"tankies" are a meme for obvious reasons.

[–] AdlachGyfiawn@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

I haven't read any of his books, though I have read everything he's posted online (that I'm aware of). My issue isn't necessarily with his methodology so much as his motivated reasoning—though you're completely right that liberal historians don't do any better, so maybe I should be more charitable.

[–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml 19 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Every time i read someone bashing Furr, it's never anything substantial, always something like you did "he's a meme" or the most popular "he's a medieval historian therefore his thesis on another period are invalid". They made him a meme using their complete control over academia because they can't refute him, while at the same time i seen "leftists" cite long debunked or completely outrageous lies of Montefiore or Pipes. Hell, in Poland of all countries, Furr is met with complete and universal damnatio memoriae from all media and all academia, if you still don't believe it's not accidental.

[–] AdlachGyfiawn@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 2 years ago

Fair enough: it was wrong of me to use 'citing Furr' as a per se negative thing. The rest, I think, stands.

[–] CriticalResist8@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 2 years ago

Do you have a source for Soviet calibers found in the bodies and somewhere I could read Tokarev's testimony?

[–] Tabitha@hexbear.net 14 points 2 years ago

anakin-padme-1 Alright, gather round, I've got a tale for you. Picture this: a group of men slaughtering their own cattle, only to squander the meat and burn food in the midst of a famine.

anakin-padme-2 Ah, setting the stage for your villain, aren't you?

anakin-padme-3

anakin-padme-4 aren't you?

[–] Omega_Haxors@lemmy.ml 14 points 2 years ago

It was his giant spoon.