Victory isn’t the point for the West, it’s “regime change” in Russia. Biden admitted as much.
If they still expect some sort of regime change in Russia, they're utterly delusional. We're going to see that happen in western countries long before Russia given the state of social cohesion here.
The fatal error is they assumed Russia was going to be like Iraq or Libya where they could shock and awe a much weaker nation and that a color revolution movement could be found/generated. Russia was too strong and Putin too popular for either to materialize.
Yeah, they bought into their own bullshit that Russia was just a gas station with nukes and if they blew hard enough it would tumble.
"if we just kick in the door the whole rotten structure will come crashing down" —Hitler planning Barbarossa
what's so hard to articulate about pre-annexation borders and a russian government subservient to western capital?
...and a genocide in eastern Ukraine. A real one. I won't have to feel bad about it because it won't be in the news.
presumably they don't want to state that as the goal because it's not happening no matter how much money they throw at the situation
A Russia that is so unstable with internal conflict that it somehow negatively affects China to a degree that the USA retains in hegemonic power.
Startingnwars with no exist or victory strategy. Fooking brilliant. They absolutely got out of Afghanistan to get into 
.
Was victory ever truly even desired? I figured this was a new potential forever-war to pad the bottom lines of MIC companies. Regime change in Russia would obviously be ideal for the ghouls but a constant flow of cash to the MIC is reason enough
No, from the beginning it looked like a typical hegemony maintenance proxy war to destabilize entire region. Tried and practiced for decades in the West Asia.
Of course, how could I forget about destabilizing a region for more shock doctrine shit
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