People cheering on SOs demise don't realize what we're losing.
Support is moving to discord which sucks massive ass. Asking the same question over and over, hoping somone is around to help.
It sucks.
People cheering on SOs demise don't realize what we're losing.
Support is moving to discord which sucks massive ass. Asking the same question over and over, hoping somone is around to help.
It sucks.
I never understood the move to synchronous communication for asynchronous questions. The ephemeral nature of discord is really a PITA. It’s like using IRC for a FAQ.
Discord is honestly the most awful way to create a helpful community.
It’s a great way to give the 20 most active members of the community someplace to trample on top of newbies trying to get questions answered.
And search engines are unable to index the questions and answers, so good luck finding the already answered question.
Support is moving to discord which sucks massive ass.
It sucks but can you blame them? It's a natural response when people see that the old method (public posting and indexing) is being corrupted and grows increasingly irrelevant.
We're going to see more and more knowledge becoming insular and/or gated behind manual curation.
This doesn't necessarily have to mean Discord, can be private forums of any kind but private nonetheless. Discord may be the wrong tool but the problem it's being applied to is real.
it sucks but can you blame them?
For picking discord I very much can blame them, I figure it won't be long until that goes down the drain too.
Not to mention the people answering the questions are liable to just start accusing you of being an idiot if you make any less progress with their solution than "it's been fixed so hard that it gained five new functions I didn't even write into it!" I wrote a 3Js project once and ISTG the people on that discord had all the patience of a three year old who suddenly has to go to the bathroom the red second you've merged onto the highway.
Once upon a time, they stepped forth from the forests of IRC, but back into those dark woods they then one day marched.
Discord is straight up unwelcome on corporate networks.
I give it a few months before the Community tier servers' data is dumped and sold to an AI model company.
I feel so bad for the long term contributors :/
The only good thing I could think off, is that someone is going to create a defederated stackoverflow alternative?
Or something similar, to bring back real human interaction...
If this wasn't enough, This will probably raise war against corporated AI.
It won't. Some people will scream bloody murder, most people will ignore it.
SO was in decline anyway. Most answers you'll find are several years old and outdated, because some idiot thought the new ones are duplicates.
So now a few people will leave, the spamming idiots will keep spamming the platform with low effort nonsensical answers and its relevance will dwindle just a bit faster.
Look at Reddit. Last year there was a huge outrage and today it's pretty much the same as before.
Most people don't care. Most people feel so powerless, that they'll accept every privacy scandal, every exploitive business strategy, every sellout of their platform.
Is Reddit pretty much the same? From my limited perspective, a lot of the genuine contributors left, quietly or otherwise. I've found it much more difficult to have an interesting discussion on there since the API debacle. Most of Reddit was already lurkers and bots, so all it took was a significant proportion of the tiny minority of quality contributors to take their time elsewhere for reddit to become a complete dumpster fire.
Anecdotally, pretty much every time I'm searching for information on reddit a number of comments are redacted or even the op is deleted. The only reason I didn't purge my comments is in case someone might find them helpful.
Subs that I go on that used to get hundreds or thousands of comments now are lucky to reach 50 or so.
This is something I have tried to convey since I came here when people are fantasising about the death of Reddit, I just couldn’t put it as eloquent as yourself.
I take the approach that me not using Reddit, or Amazon or whatever else is a choice I make so I can live with myself, and not that I believe it will have an impact.
I have alluded to this in previous comments in the past, that many of the choices I make actually negatively impact me more than the company I’m avoiding. Example: Not using WhatsApp means I can’t join group chats with friends as they won’t use signal as the things I care about, are meaningless to them. Or that I can’t find some items to buy except from on Amazon so I just won’t buy them etc.
All we can do is stick to our own morals and let others do as they will as it’s futile to make people care about the things we think they should.
The only good thing I could think off, is that someone is going to create a defederated stackoverflow alternative?
I've read of someone making an alternative to stackexchange federated. ~~Let me lookup for it and add a link here.~~
Here it is:
https://lemmy.ml/post/15471686
Do you mean federated? And what would federation solve?
The only way you're separating humans from LLM will be by asking for government ID but that would eliminate anonymity. And even so people could sneak in LLMs under their credentials.
I hate 2024
Stack overflow still have users? These days it rarely shows up on my search results and when it does the answers are always outdated by several years.
Interesting, I still see it pretty consistently in the first few results in my experience and usually with a pretty recent one too
What options are there to use instead? I think they’re still often having the best results, and are usually near the top.
It's time for a federated version. How about "OutOfMemory"? It would fit because I always return to the same topics on StackOverflow.
Time to edit all my answers :)
This title doesn't mention it, but it was reported earlier that users editing their past posts against this move get banned for it.
Need to make sure the diff is small enough. A tiny change that creates a bug or makes the answer effectively useless is much worse than sweeping changes
But that leaves a lot of good code. The bad parts are very unlikely to appear in the AI results due to the amount of good code in the training set.
I’m pretty sure they keep the revision history, so there’s no point in it
Correct. They banned people and then undid the changes.
I did on Friday and within 5 mins they suspended me and reverted them all. I knew they would so I didn't care - I just did it so they'd see as many unhappy users as possible.
I then deleted my account of over 10 years with over 50k reputation. Fuck stackoverflow.
Oh, look, it's Reddit all over again.
(Yes, yes, different reason. Same user response, though.)
God forbid someone get a JavaScript snippet that uses var instead of let or const.
time for users to shred their comments and posts
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