IDK which tankies you are seeing, but the ones on Lemmy are Russian trolls who very clearly favor Donald Trump
Edit - lmao right on cue
I'm talking about the useful idiots who sincerely believe what the trolls are feeding them.
Tankies don’t hate Trump enough to vote for Biden.
I consider myself a socialist (albeit, not a tankie, since I don't agree with mass centralization of power, since that would inevitably lead to corruption). I like Prof. Wolff's idea of forcing all companies to be worker-owned cooperatives, which will help to take away power from the owner class, who currently has control over the government via donations, paid lobbyists, super PACs, etc.
I hate Biden with a passion. I think he's a neoliberal corporatist warmonger, and he's very, VERY far from my ideal candidate. I'd even go so far as to say I hate him as a candidate. I'm still voting for him though for a few reasons, though.
We have a FPTP voting system, which leads to only having two parties to choose from, as George Washington warned against.
The Supreme Court is probably going to have some vacancies soon. We've seen how Trump's appointees turned out. Biden vowed to appoint progressives to the SCOTUS.
Biden has been the most pro-labor, pro-union president we've had in a very long time, even if he still isn't perfect on that front.
Lina Kahn is sweet (current head of the FTC), and I want her to remain the head for the forseeable future.
I think Trump being elected is going to lead the country into literal fascism. I didn't think his first term was going to, and I took him to be a joke, but then January 6th happened. Also Trump is worse on basically every domestic and foreign policy compared to Biden. Project 2025 is all I really need to say when it comes to Trump's policies.
I think people who shame voters are causing people to want to be less involved in politics, rather than voting for the non-fascist. As Hillary Clinton showed us in 2016, voter shaming is actively harmful and helps the other side win. There was absolutely no reason that Trump should have won in 2016, except Clinton was so full of herself, and didn't care to listen to anyone who was to the left of her, especially after she helped rig the DNC primary against Bernie (as the John Podesta email leaks have shown). Hillary also helped Trump win the RNC primary in 2016 (see: the Pied Piper strategy), since she incorrectly thought that Trump was the easiest candidate to beat.
The DNC continued to rig every primary against the progressive candidate after that (against Bernie in 2020 by forcing all the other neoliberal candidates to drop out prior to Super Tuesday to prevent splitting the vote against Biden, and against Williamson in 2024 by essentially not even having a primary, even though they technically did), and they wonder why people hate them.
I don't hold out much hope for the US to be a prosperous nation for anyone but the wealthiest class anytime soon. I genuinely believe that the wealthy would rather have fascism over any kind of socialism, because fascism will at least keep them in power.
But still, I'm going to hold my nose and throw up a little in my mouth as I cast my vote for Biden this coming election, because the only other option is literal fascism.
Look at that! An adult!
Most reasoned response I've read on this sub. Thanks!
In before "bruh, we already have literal fascism"!
The US does support international genocide, and Capitalism is declining, but it hasn't quite declined within the US for fascism to become possible, otherwise Jan 6 would've been met with massive popular support.
The conditions for fascism are approaching under Biden still, so he isn't really an "anti-fascist" candidate, but Trump does represent support for far more reactionary views.
The US does support international genocide, and Capitalism is declining
Neither of those are mutually exclusive; capitalism is actually quite friendly to fascism and many definitively non-fascist states stand idly by or conveniently profit while genocides happen.
I understand, I was pointing out that voting for Biden is voting for a slow descent rather than rapid into fascism.
Biden vowed to appoint progressives to the SCOTUS.
While his appointees would be better than more Trump nutcases, people seem to be making way too much of Biden's words on this. His words from the piece I saw the other day were this: "The next president, they’re going to be able to appoint a couple justices, and I’ll be damned — if in fact we’re able to change some of the justices when they retire and put in really progressive judges like we’ve always had, tell me that won’t change your life."
Unless there's another quote I missed, that's not a vow, it's just normal campaign stump speech talk.
Yes, liberals and tankies. The two other political ideological sides besides republicans.
Where progressives
Trick question. Anyone to the right of tankies but left of conservatives is a liberal, as far as tankies are concerned.
"Tankies" tend to use the term liberal in the classical sense, which lumps conservatives in with progressives.
That's somewhat confusing since a classical liberal and a modern social liberal are quite distinct things. Plus, even two hundred years ago liberals were distinct from conservatives.
I suppose to tankies, it's liberals all the way down.
If you believe in democratic socialism, to tankies, you're a liberal.
"You think China and Russia should be socialist democracies? Pfft, what a typical liberal."
And if you're a Social Democrat like me, they'll think I have a shrine to Milton Friedman.
I mean to a Tankie, a "liberal" is just someone who disagrees with them. And some apparently consider it a derogatory slur, from the way they say it.
It's really quite humorous.
Regular-ass Socialists use liberal in the same way you're describing, as do Anarchists.
Also here but they pretend we don't exist.
That's the fun part: liberals will call anyone to the left of them tankies, and tankies will call anyone who doesn't want to kiss Lenin's red flag liberals, so progressives don't exist.
political literacy has gotta be at an all time low huh
We are on Lemmy.world, after all.
this is true
Hah no. Tankies want him elected.
Which side is Stormy in? 🤣
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