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submitted 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) by TheAlchemist@lemmy.ml to c/privacy@lemmy.ml

I'm going insane. I cannot for the life of me find a suitable way to listen to music privately. I'm on iOS, and I don't know whether to just stick to Apple Music or give up on music in general (I tried, TRIED to go local, but all the apps are shitty). Any way to listen to music and not have your data compromised? Should I just stick to Apple Music and hope that laws change (maybe something like EU's DMA?)

Edit: Hey all! First of all, thank you so much for all the recommendations! I've discovered so many great apps and tools I didn't even know existed (and it has also brought my hopes up for privacy in general). Even though it's still not perfect, I've been using foobar2000 on iOS, downloading music I find (I'm still using Apple Music for discovery, but will probably stop when my subscription ends this month). For desktop I'm using HyperPipe, which although a little buggy at times is so awesome! One thing I do miss about this system is the lack of lyrics. Apple Music has such a beautiful UI when it comes with lyrics, but you can't have it all when it comes to privacy it seems. Thanks for the amazing discussion! I'm so far loving Lemmy ;)

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[-] Xirup@lemmy.dbzer0.com 71 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I'll be honest, the only way to listen to music privately is to download it. (And using an opensource music player)

There are Github repositories with CLI programs to download complete Spotify playlists with Youtube and also download their metadata.

[-] merde@sh.itjust.works 23 points 11 months ago

there are also CDs and vinyl 🤷

[-] CarlsIII@kbin.social 13 points 11 months ago

Whoa, you can store music on CDs? That’ll save me a lot of bandwidth!

[-] metaStatic@kbin.social 13 points 11 months ago

something brilliant I've found with modern vinyl is a lot of them come with a download card so you can get lossless files.

now if they would just fucking advertise which ones that would be great.

[-] carloshr@feddit.cl 5 points 11 months ago

This. There was music before the internet.

[-] Zetaphor@zemmy.cc 7 points 11 months ago

I wrote a few scripts to automate this entire process for me:

https://zemmy.cc/post/25500?scrollToComments=true

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[-] Vendetta9076@sh.itjust.works 54 points 11 months ago

Yeah. Buy it directly from the artist then throw it all into a self hosted service like plex or jellyfin.

[-] PastorHaggis@lemmy.world 15 points 11 months ago

Yup. Buy CDs, vinyl or digital from Bandcamp or from the artist direct and then host it on Plex.

I've thought about trying jellyfin but Plexamp is just so nice that I don't think I could leave it.

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[-] HumanPerson@sh.itjust.works 27 points 11 months ago

I use a jellyfin server plus finamp for ios plus totally legal downloaded music that was 100% legally obtained.

[-] harsh3466@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

+1 for Jellyfin with Finamp (or Fintunes). Also what I use and it’s fabulous.

[-] Zorque@kbin.social 26 points 11 months ago

Do people not just download music anymore?

[-] BraveSirZaphod@kbin.social 10 points 11 months ago

I'm 26, and don't know anyone, myself included, who purchases and downloads music to any significant degree. Essentially everyone I know just uses streaming platforms.

[-] Zorque@kbin.social 8 points 11 months ago

Sounds terrible for privacy.

[-] BraveSirZaphod@kbin.social 16 points 11 months ago

Respectfully, I think you may be drastically overestimating how much average people care about that.

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[-] Blizzard@lemmy.zip 5 points 11 months ago

He didn't say anything about purchasing...

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[-] guyrocket@kbin.social 25 points 11 months ago

I still buy CDs. And back then up to play in my truck. And rip them.

I still think OWNING media is a good idea. No privacy issues at all.

[-] mp3@lemmy.ca 16 points 11 months ago

Most of the stuff I listen to isn't mainstream and the band are on Bandcamp. It's great being able to buy the FLAC version right away.

[-] kick_out_the_jams@kbin.social 7 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

https://daily.bandcamp.com/features/bandcamp-fridays-update

it's worth noting that the first friday of each month they usually forgo their cut so more money goes to the artists.

[-] LazerDickMcCheese@sh.itjust.works 7 points 11 months ago

Always this, never let physical copies die. They can't revoke shit legally bought and personally archived

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[-] RVMWSN@lemmy.ml 20 points 11 months ago

I don't think you should expect any privacy on an Apple device

[-] jvrava9@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 11 months ago

Im on a Jailbroken iPhone with all Apple network requests blocked with AdGuard and no Appleid.

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[-] sabreW4K3@lemmy.tf 17 points 11 months ago

Have you considered Funk Whale, the Spotify of the Fediverse?

https://funkwhale.audio/

[-] Mcballs1234@lemmy.ml 17 points 11 months ago

Yarrr harrr didgeridoo

[-] MigratingtoLemmy@lemmy.world 15 points 11 months ago

Self-host your library? I don't know why that seems so hard, going by your phrasing.

If you absolutely must listen to music online (I empathise, I need to do so to find new music), here's what I do: Librewolf with Ublock Origin, Cookie Manager, Dark Reader, NoScript + music.youtube.com.

No advertisements, minimal tracking (because you will explicitly disable every other script than the one(s) required to stream music). Use a VPN and fake your user-agent/browser fingerprint for more privacy (haven't done it since I can't figure out how to do so for Firefox).

Cheers

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[-] Nikls94@lemmy.world 13 points 11 months ago

You could get Spotify and switch it to private.

I don’t really care about other knowing what music I listen to and even use the “AI" to give me songs that I might like. Most of them are not my type but there is 1 or maybe 2 every week that are good that I’d‘ve never searched for.

[-] ExLisper@linux.community 9 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Exactly, what are the privacy risks of letting someone know what type of music do you like?

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[-] airikr@lemmy.ml 13 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I download the music from YouTube (through front-end services like Piped) and play it locally through a music player.

I don't know how it works on iPhone (I have an Android phone), but I can use NewPipe and LibreTube and Seal to download the music. If I'm on the go that is. Otherwise I download the music through ytdlp and transfer the files to my smartphone.

Apple really restrict their users to their own ecosystem.

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[-] poofbirb@lemmy.ml 13 points 11 months ago

an MP3 player like foobar2000 ...?

[-] StewartGilligan@lemmy.world 13 points 11 months ago

If you want something on Android, check out ViMusic. It uses YouTube Music as a back-end and can recommend stuff based on what you listen. It also supports offline playback. On desktop, you can use Hyperpipe. It also uses YouTube Music as its back-end.

If you want ultimate privacy, then download your favorite songs and use VLC or self host them and stream it from there.

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[-] quantenzitrone@feddit.de 9 points 11 months ago

If anyone is interested, i recently developed my own system of defining my music library declaratively in the Nix programming language and started switching to it. It creates folders as playlists and can automatically download the music from YouTube or SoundCloud. I plan to expand and improve this further.

I doubt this will work on IOS tho, sorry OP.

https://codeberg.org/quantenzitrone/declarative-music.nix

[-] utopia_dig@lemmy.ml 9 points 11 months ago

I'm using Qobuz. Since it is a rather small service, I just hope it is more private than the "big players" like Spotify/Apple Music. But the main benefits of Qobuz are the audio quality and the (afaik) highest payment per streamed song for artists.

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[-] Cowremix@artemis.camp 9 points 11 months ago

Classic iPod or mp3 player? Also, the “Music” app on iOS still works like iTunes. You can load albums directly from your computer, even without an Apple Music subscription. Or you could get a Walkman.

[-] slacktoid@lemmy.ml 7 points 11 months ago

Setup your own subsonic or ampache server. nextcloud has an app for that.

[-] shortwavesurfer@monero.town 7 points 11 months ago

Have a copy of all your music and use syncthing if apple allows it that is. Otherwise get a deegoogled android running grapheneOS

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[-] Ashiette@lemmy.one 7 points 11 months ago

If you don't want to go local or want a streaming service : qobuz is the less shitty of all options regarding privacy.

[-] willya@lemmyf.uk 7 points 11 months ago

Local with Plex and Plex amp was my best experience. It’s really well done.

[-] Samsy@lemmy.ml 6 points 11 months ago

Jellyfin + Finamp is usable, too.

[-] Grouchy@lemmy.grouchysysadmin.com 6 points 11 months ago

Setup a Koel instance at a host of your choice. Upload your music to it and stream from that. See https://koel.dev/

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[-] hellfire103@sopuli.xyz 6 points 11 months ago

If you want a streaming service, you could try HyperPipe. It's an alternative frontend to YT Music. There's also BeatBump, but it doesn't really work.

If you wanted to go local (which I recommend), have you tried foobar2000? It's proprietary, but I trust it and it does its job very well. No ads, no data collection at all, and it plays just about every audio format you'll normally come across (apart from MIDI files). You can also customise it with skins, sync over FTP, and play internet radio streams.

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[-] nomadjoanne@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)
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[-] leraje@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I self host Ampache and have Sublime Music on my desktop and Substreamer on my Android device.

[-] Harry_h0udini@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 11 months ago

For Android- Blackhole | web - beatbumb and hyperpipe

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