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- China implemented new regulations on Monday under its toughened counterespionage law, which enables authorities to inspect smartphones, personal computers and other electronic devices, raising fears among expatriates and foreign businesspeople about possible arbitrary enforcement.

- A Japanese travel agency official said the new regulations could further prevent tourists from coming to China. Some Japanese companies have told their employees not to bring smartphones from Japan when they make business trips to the neighboring country, according to officials from the companies.

The new rules, which came into effect one year after the revised anti-espionage law expanded the definition of espionage activities, empower Chinese national security authorities to inspect data, including emails, pictures, and videos stored on electronic devices.

Such inspections can be conducted without warrants in emergencies. If officers are unable to examine electronic devices on-site, they are authorized to have those items brought to designated places, according to the regulations.

It remains unclear what qualifies as emergencies under the new rules. Foreign individuals and businesses are now expected to face increased surveillance by Chinese authorities as a result of these regulations.

A 33-year-old British teacher told Kyodo News at a Beijing airport Monday that she refrains from using smartphones for communications. A Japanese man in his 40s who visited the Chinese capital for a business trip said he will "try to avoid attracting attention" from security authorities in the country.

In June, China's State Security Ministry said the new regulations will target "individuals and organizations related to spy groups," and ordinary passengers will not have their smartphones inspected at airports. However, a diplomatic source in Beijing noted that authorities' explanations have not sufficiently clarified what qualifies as spying activities.

Last week, Taiwan's Mainland Affairs Council upgraded its travel warning for mainland China, advising against unnecessary trips due to Beijing's recent tightening of regulations aimed at safeguarding national security.

In May, China implemented a revised law on safeguarding state secrets, which includes measures to enhance the management of secrets at military facilities.

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[-] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 8 points 1 day ago

The people's surveillance state

[-] electric_nan@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 day ago

I take the same precautions crossing a Chinese border as I do crossing a US one.

[-] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

That bad, huh?

[-] Andromxda@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 1 day ago

Reason 91627 why you shouldn't go to this authoritarian shithole

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

Posting how much I hate authoritarian surveillance states on all my favorite NSA-infested social media accounts.

[-] tired_n_bored@lemmy.world 18 points 2 days ago

Authoritarian China acting like authoritarian China. What a surprise

[-] ikidd@lemmy.world 17 points 2 days ago

GrapheneOS and duress PIN.

[-] rdri@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

So you are okay with not getting your phone back from authorities...

[-] Andromxda@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 day ago

In some cases that's better than getting your data stolen by the authorities. Especially in a communist dictatorship like China.

[-] rdri@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

That's better in all cases. But the original comment sounded like "look how I can go to this authoritarian county, encounter police who would ask me for my phone, and remain free and safe afterwards". That would not be a good idea.

It's a given if you go to any kind of dictatorship like this one.

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[-] 0x0@programming.dev 10 points 2 days ago
[-] tired_n_bored@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago

I don't understand people who downvote you. TSA does indeed the same

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Their Authoritarian Surveillance State

Our Robust National Security System

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[-] Gormadt@lemmy.blahaj.zone 87 points 3 days ago

Another reason to not go to China

[-] bionicjoey@lemmy.ca 28 points 2 days ago

At some point I'm going to have to because the woman I love is from there. Probably I will need to get a burner phone for the occasion. It does seem like a beautiful country full of interesting culture. Shame about the government though.

[-] stellargmite@lemmy.world 14 points 2 days ago

Stick close to her and trusted family and friends. Though cash must be accepted legally , its hardly used. Getting a simcard requires registering with your passport now. If you're okay with that, a cheap burner phone with wechat for payments and comms and standard phone number yo get hold of your family back home. Needless to say you wont be anonymous so my attitude when visiting there was kind of just accept that, and don't do/say anything stupid. i.e assimilate temporarily with that way of life. All of these concerns are only a small part of life and of course a billion or so people are living with it. You are totally right that the place is full of interesting and amazing history, culture, food and really friendly and hospitable people despite the bs they have to put up with.

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[-] ikidd@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

Make sure you're out before Canada gets into another dispute with China and they resort to hostage diplomacy again.

[-] bionicjoey@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 day ago

Yeah, good point. Luckily my name isn't Michael which improves my odds somewhat

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[-] DarkThoughts@fedia.io 28 points 3 days ago

Kinda the same reason it has always been.

[-] jlh@lemmy.jlh.name 70 points 3 days ago

Bringing your real phone instead of a burner phone into the PRC is just asking for your shit to get stolen. I have never brought my real phone into the PRC.

[-] Akasazh@feddit.nl 8 points 2 days ago

I wonder why, knowing this, one would go to China in the first place.

[-] jlh@lemmy.jlh.name 6 points 2 days ago

I wanted to see the great wall while I was studying in Asia.

[-] Akasazh@feddit.nl 5 points 1 day ago

Fair enough, I mean the history is fascinating, some years ago I might have gone, but nowadays....

[-] jlh@lemmy.jlh.name 1 points 1 day ago

Yeah, definitely, the intensifying cold war makes me wonder if I'll ever go back again. Doesn't feel like tourists will really be allowed back in, in my lifetime, once things start getting really bad.

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[-] bobc7@lemmy.world 21 points 2 days ago

Anybody surprised by this hasn't passed basic world history yet..

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

Where do you think Americans learn about non-European countries in World History? History started with the founding of England and ended with WW2. I think we dropped a nuclear bomb on some East Asian country where all the anime comes from. But other than that, who gives a shit about Asia?

[-] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 59 points 3 days ago

Even as far back as 2010 the corpo I worked for had an official travel protocol that dictated backing up Blackberries, factory resetting them, crossing the border, then restoring them from the cloud. That was for crossing any border.

[-] tal@lemmy.today 10 points 2 days ago

I'm not saying that that's an unreasonable policy for companies to have, but I will bet that only a very small portion of individuals normally do that for personal smartphones.

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[-] Cyberjin@lemmy.world 11 points 2 days ago

counterespionage law already pushed a lot business and investment away from China.

Not to mention a lot of stabbing targeting foreigners by nationalist https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-06-25/japanese-mother-child-attacked-with-knife-in-city-near-shanghai

I don't understand who be interested going to China anymore

[-] NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip 28 points 3 days ago

I've personally never done the trip to China for a lot of reasons (you know you are living your best life when a postdoc explains that you should never under any circumstances go to China because of what you have said) but do a lot of foreign travel for work:

No company should let any employee bring corporate electronics on international travel. Have burner phones and laptops that are set up to do incredibly minimal work locally (basically just have the slides... maybe) and to remote in. And work with your IT department to "randomly lock" them if a wrong password is detected in an airport or government facility.

It doesn't matter if it is the UK asking if we want the left or right hand this time or the CCP: It is just an unnecessary risk that is easily avoided.

And then inform the traveler of whether they want to bring their personal devices or not.

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[-] FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today 10 points 2 days ago

Seems fair to me, tbh. I wouldn't go there without diplomatic immunity or a burner anyways.

[-] Aurenkin@sh.itjust.works 19 points 3 days ago

For the CCP arbitrary enforcement is less a risk and more a guarantee.

[-] Desistance@lemmy.world 14 points 3 days ago

The CCP is growing more paranoid.

[-] praise_idleness@sh.itjust.works 13 points 3 days ago

Anyone voluntarilly visiting China even with all these is beyond me.

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[-] assassinatedbyCIA@lemmy.world 10 points 3 days ago

Fun fact. If you come to Australia the border force can basically do the same thing. Take a burner with you when you travel, it’s not worth the hassle at the airport. Bonus points, if you lose your phone or get it stolen it won’t hurt as much as if it happened to your main device.

[-] YaDownWitCPP@lemmy.world 13 points 2 days ago

Yeah, but Australia isn't going to detain you for posting a picture of Winnie the Poo on your social media.

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