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Your thoughts on compacts cars like this? (sh.itjust.works)
submitted 1 week ago by praise_idleness@sh.itjust.works to c/fuckcars@lemmy.world
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Kia Ray is a compact car, currently only available in South Korea. It's tiny yet can carry a lot so a lot of small businesses have these as a van alternative.

I hate cars. But getting rid of them has a long way ahead and I think this kind of small-but-big kind of car can appeal general public and make cities better.

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[-] Humanius@lemmy.world 68 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

To me the idea of "fuck cars" is not so much about cars as a concept, but rather the scurge of car dependency.
You don't want a society built around cars to the point that you cannot reasonably live your life without one.

That said, even in a perfect situation with ample public transit and walkable/cyclable cities everywhere, there will still be people in situations who need a car to get around. And for those people I'd prefer it if they would be driving around in compacts like this or smaller, rather than some of the cross-overs, SUVs and pickups you see today.

Some people will always need a car, and practical compacts like this would be perfect for that role.

[-] PedestrianError@towns.gay 9 points 1 week ago

@Humanius @praise_idleness That and shared car ownership is an important part of the picture. When everybody owns a private car, everyone has taken on the sunk costs of ownership and feels an urge to drive more to justify it, plus cars dominate the landscape. Having to walk a few blocks to pick up a Zipcar and then pay a rate that to some degree reflects the cost of the trip significantly reduce discretionary driving by those who can walk/bike/use transit.

[-] mondoman712@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 week ago

I live somewhere that very much isn't car dependant, but there's still too many of them and it's still shitty. But I do agree that for those times that they're still necessary, the smaller the better.

[-] Humanius@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I also live somewhere that isn't car-dependent (the Netherlands)
While I would like to see fewer and smaller cars, I don't particularly mind the current state of things over here.

[-] Alabaster_Mango@lemmy.ca 12 points 1 week ago

I have a Kia Soul for that reason. It's small, but can haul a decent amount of stuff. The back seats are spacious enough for my tall friends, and with the seats folded down I can even fit furniture like couches and dressers. It also has a low hood, so I probably won't be murdering any children. Gets pretty good mileage too.

I'm not a 100% anti-car extremist, but I definitely wish we had way better infrastructure for public transportation, bikes, and pedestrians in my city. I work just outside the city limits, and my 30-40 minute car commute would be like 1.5-2 hours on a bus. In my current reality I am chained to my car, so I went with one that I felt fit my needs without being horrific.

[-] praise_idleness@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 week ago

Also wanted to add that these are readily available for rent(even just for about few hours!) I honestly think this can be a future, where people usually drive their bike and then 1% of cases when car is needed, you rent it for few hours/days.

[-] th3dogcow@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

It looks similar to what I drive. I like it. It is spacious enough for a family. It is also roomy enough for a tallish person (around 190cm) to drive comfortably. My partner uses it for their commute daily, and we use it for family outings or shopping.

I do also walk or cycle for certain things, but where I live a car is a necessity if you have a family.

They use a lot less fuel and have a much smaller footprint, which is good. But have just enough oomph to go on the expressways here.

[-] jerkface@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 week ago

I think, fuck cars.

[-] ftbd@feddit.de 4 points 1 week ago

This looks to be as tall as a person? How is that 'tiny'?

[-] AA5B@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago

Damn, and I looked at it and thought: it’s shorter than a tiny woman and the seats are near vertical …. I wonder if it would fit an average adult outside of Korea, let alone someone even a little big or tall.

[-] praise_idleness@sh.itjust.works 1 points 6 days ago

I'm 6ft and it's more than fine for me

[-] thatgirlwasfire@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

The car being taller doesn’t mean it takes up more space on the road. It does mean an increased rollover risk however.

[-] ftbd@feddit.de 0 points 1 week ago

For space taken up on the road, being half a meter shorter or longer doesn't make much of a difference, since the distance between cars is much larger. And for parking, being as tall as a person greatly reduces street visibility for pedestrians. Don't get me wrong, this car is much better than a truck or SUV, but it is not 'tiny'.

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