We must vote for Biden in November if he's still on the ticket. MUST. Fascism is NOT an acceptable alternative.

HOWEVER

The recent high-profile defections of Dem Congresscritters from the presumptive nominee and incumbent president, however, is a political crisis great enough that it probably warrants replacing Biden on the ticket, even if the ONLY issue was the loss of confidence of his party. That is a major fucking blow that you can't really get back.

So, we must vote for the Dem ticket in November, including if it is not Biden, which is currently a possibility, barring some insane situation like them offering Hitler's brain in a jar.

If the discussion is gonna be had best do it now before the conference, but post that, it's fall in line or die alone.

That isn't hyperbole, Project 2025 is very obviously a groundworking for death squads to round up dissidents and undesirables.

We can't just think of what they're telling us they want to do, we need to consider the things they somehow still felt like they had to leave out to avoid giving the whole game away.

If that's the only thing you're going to focus on, why not run Jimmy Carter? He's even older still, and also won an election before. Surely concerns about his physical inability to campaign are just ageism and laying excuses to vote fascist.

My WWII veteran grandfather saw the Purple Heart band aids that they were handing out at the RNC in 2004 and swore off the party. He voted Democrat for the rest of his life.

I guess if you have to deliver a Purple Heart to your buddy's grieving parents you don't get the joke.

Nobody deep in the blue is going to stop voting Democrat over these things, stop pretending that's the issue. The problem is that the people necessary for Biden to win are not your typical blue voter. They might dislike Donald Trump as well, but for whatever myriad of reasons don't rule him out as a person they will vote for. They exists - if they didn't there would be a critical mass of voters to win and the republican party would have been dead or you'd never have a Democrat as a president.

Most likely - they feel disenfranchised by both the Democrats and Republicans because their concerns aren't being heard. And by not taking their concerns at least somewhat seriously yet again, you might piss enough of them off to lose the majority. And this attitude really isn't helping in salvaging their trust. Telling someone they're going to vote for a candidate they don't trust or want whether they like it or not is NEVER a good slogan to run a campaign by. It only works on people that are well informed about what's at stake behind the scenes.

What's the problem with just being honest with each other for once. A better candidate more people could stand behind is what democracy demands. America's two party system has always created unpopular choices, and everyone normally agrees with that. But when one side sinks to an extreme, suddenly it made the perfect choice on the opposite side? Why are people so afraid to open the possibility to unite behind a more coherent and capable Democrat backed by the same cabinet, who can dunk on Trump's lies and rally people with a plan to actually make sure all the terrible things that happened get undone?

Saying you don't want to vote for Biden isn't an endorsement to vote for Trump, voting third party, or not voting at all. It's a plea to find something similar, but better, that more people can stand behind.

Common it's not like the only option, other than Biden, is Trump. There still time to vouch for another Democrat. Or bring someone who's not a politician to the stage. Like an NGO activist or the like. That'd be a democratic innovation.

I don't know if you saw this movie, but Bruce needed a younger, more able bodied person to defeat the Joker.

Batman Beyond was so good. Time for a rewatch.

It's not the age, it's health issues. You choose your leader to govern your country, it seems like Biden can't really dobthat anymore. Maybe if we weren't hooked to live feeds we wouldn't notice. After all, Roosevelt was very ill when he was reelected for the third time in 1944.