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submitted 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) by Dirt_Owl@hexbear.net to c/science@hexbear.net

Why do bother watching nature documentaries? I know they're rubbish and yet each time I'm like "maybe this one won't suck"

Right off the bat it's projecting vicious intent onto nature. Nature isn't just shit that happens, oh no, it's A BRUTAL WAR OF DYNASTIES!!!!1!!! soypoint-2

"Look at this centipede from the Devonian, but invertebrates wouldn't be the ones to win the game of survival" WHAT DO YOU MEAN? WHAT GAME? INVERTS ARE STILL HERE, THEY'RE THE MOST COMMON AND THRIVING LIFEFORM ON THE PLANET.

And of course the whole thing chooses to fixate on competition and ignore how much of nature revolves around cooperation and symbiosis.

I am begging the media (especially media that sells itself as educational) to stop speaking about nature the same way a 1930s German pseudoscientist would.

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[-] Wheaties@hexbear.net 37 points 1 month ago

Americans can't make good docs. Most of the time they underestimate the audience and dumb down the content. And they always feel like they're somehow competing with "real films", so they play it up like there's supposed to be ACTION and INTENSITY while... doing an interview or filming a bug or whatever.

[-] ButtBidet@hexbear.net 14 points 1 month ago

I remember as a kid how excited I was that the history channel was starting, and I disappointed I was after less than a day of viewing.

[-] healthkick@hexbear.net 12 points 1 month ago

The snake jump cut is drawn like a moth mosquito buzzing sound to a flame flame cut when it sees thermal vision effect its prey snare jump cut snare

[-] Frogmanfromlake@hexbear.net 7 points 1 month ago

I’m thinking of all those documentaries with celebrity narrators making “funny” commentary over the most mundane things

[-] SSJMarx@lemm.ee 27 points 1 month ago

Wolves spotted? Better identify the alpha even though that isn't the current science! Can't have people thinking that pack dynamics are just an extended family cooperating and sharing territory and resources, gotta reinforce the idea that wolves fight for dominance in the wild!

Other pack animal spotted? Better identify the alpha even though that term was never meant to apply to this species!

[-] Awoo@hexbear.net 21 points 1 month ago

The only good nature shows are produced by the BBC, which is generally good outside of news.

[-] SSJMarx@lemm.ee 22 points 1 month ago

Coming soon to BBC: Actually clownfish never change sex that's ridiculous nothing changes sex ever it's simple biology.

[-] sneak100@hexbear.net 11 points 1 month ago

Reminds me of a segment from Blue Planet II, where they show a fish that changes gender, but portray it as the most terrifying shit ever, horror music included

[-] ksynwa@lemmygrad.ml 13 points 1 month ago

I tried watching Nature's Greatest Events last week and it was horrifying. It showed a cuddly polar bear mum and cubs struggling with breaking ice sheets as summer approached in Antarctica. Attenborough remarks how climate change and shrinking ice is making it difficult for polar bears to hunt.

The documentary was shot a decade and a half ago. I hope things aren't much worse them but I felt really really guilty watching that.

[-] ExotiqueMatter@lemmygrad.ml 15 points 1 month ago

But how would we pretend that capitalism is human nature if peoples know that cooperation is just as natural if not more than competition!?!!

[-] ashinadash@hexbear.net 14 points 1 month ago

I only watch Meerkat Manor

[-] AssortedBiscuits@hexbear.net 14 points 1 month ago

"Look at this centipede from the Devonian, but invertebrates wouldn't be the ones win the game of survival" WHAT DO YOU MEAN? WHAT GAME? INVERTS ARE STILL HERE, THEY'RE THE MOST COMMON AND THRIVING LIFEFORM ON THE PLANET.

Bonies think they rule the world when the entire ecosystem would collapse if invertebrates disappear.

[-] Dirt_Owl@hexbear.net 15 points 1 month ago
[-] iie@hexbear.net 14 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I love that graphic. I assume it's by number of species? If it was by number of individuals I guess protists would be a lot bigger

Here's a cool one that does it by biomass:

https://www.visualcapitalist.com/all-the-biomass-of-earth-in-one-graphic/

shit that thumbnail is small, if you don't want to open the article you can open the image in a new tab to see it full size

[-] Dirt_Owl@hexbear.net 9 points 1 month ago

Yes it is by species. That biomass one is interesting too, awesome!

[-] CarbonScored@hexbear.net 8 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I'm actually amazed how high up the ladder humans are on that one.

Even using 'mass' as a metric of success isn't fair to birds, who evolutionarily must keep a very low weight.

Do hollow bones make you a less successful species?! maddened

[-] Hexamerous@hexbear.net 8 points 1 month ago

Then again, we probably killed a large chunk of the ones below us. There's still room to climb, just wait until ocean acidification really starts kicking in.

[-] CyberSyndicalist@hexbear.net 4 points 1 month ago

more biomass of viruses than of mammals wowee

[-] iie@hexbear.net 2 points 1 month ago

I think most of the viruses are bacteriophages

Bacteriophages are among the most common and diverse entities in the biosphere.[2] Bacteriophages are ubiquitous viruses, found wherever bacteria exist. It is estimated there are more than 10^31^ bacteriophages on the planet, more than every other organism on Earth, including bacteria, combined.[3] Viruses are the most abundant biological entity in the water column of the world's oceans, and the second largest component of biomass after prokaryotes,[4] where up to 9x108 virions per millilitre have been found in microbial mats at the surface,[5] and up to 70% of marine bacteria may be infected by bacteriophages.[6]

[-] Thallo@hexbear.net 12 points 1 month ago

Owls, a naturally contrarian avian, hoot loudly when they see something that displeases them

[-] Dirt_Owl@hexbear.net 6 points 1 month ago

HOOT HOOT HOOT

[-] tamagotchicowboy@hexbear.net 12 points 1 month ago

Its always the neo-Malthusian competition and pseudo-morality nonsense rather than adaptation and survival. Anyway, conservationism in the US had its origins in racist huntsmen who blamed natives and the poor for species going extinct rather than their own bourgeois failson and industrial practice (greatest example is the buffalo), so not surprised.

Thinking about documentaries, all the in the future documentaries are really super lib, worst one that comes to mind is Earth 2100, its so US and bourgeois centric even when it came out it was breathtakingly bad. My favorite is the end where the narrator protagonist flips out her grandson won't ever see an opera like we're back in Balzac's time and that's the highpoint of the arts, society and culture.

[-] magi@hexbear.net 12 points 1 month ago

I like documentaries in general but the quality has dipped a lot over time

There is a vast difference in american documentaries to those made in Europe, same could be said about tv in general.

Not that I watch much tv now, I haven't watched in over a decade

[-] CthulhusIntern@hexbear.net 11 points 1 month ago

Nature documentaries at least entertain my cat, so there's some value.

[-] BeamBrain@hexbear.net 11 points 1 month ago

Reminds me of a Sam Kriss quote (not linking the source because he's a sex pest and I don't want to give him clicks):

Every irrational social order has declared itself to be in some way isomorphic with reality itself. Once, the cosmos was etched into concentric spheres with God in the middle, a macrocosmic representation of feudalism. Now, geneticists like Dawkins argue that what we see as animal life is really just a capitalist free market in genetic code.

[-] fox@hexbear.net 10 points 1 month ago

Claiming life is a capitalist market because genetics is staggeringly braindead when the most successful strategy is always cooperation

[-] tripartitegraph@hexbear.net 9 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Best nature doc I’ve ever seen was this one by CGTN. China has some incredible wildlife, and CGTN doesn’t force in some weird ass perspective.
That said, I love to watch the goofy alien/UFO/conspiracy docs from history channel or worse. They’re just so stupid hahaha

[-] HexReplyBot@hexbear.net 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

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[-] stevatoo@hexbear.net 2 points 1 month ago

Yeah life on our planet was really bad for a lot of different reasons.

I'd cleanse my pallet with the mosasaur spa scene from Prehistoric Planet.

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