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All the holodeck shows is that even in the 24th century people still don't know how to properly implement least privilege access controls.
Or bounds checking. Or sandboxing.
Or post mortem. Seriously? A second and third identical failure? Implement some guardrails Starfleet!
No joke I would have loved an episode where Rutherford and Tendi find all the trash code in the holodeck and replace it with code following a proper CI/CD pipeline.
"I still support the railing systeeeeeeeem!"
Or just locking the door.
Or manual circuit breakers
And I'm shocked that there's no guardrails to prevent users from making RP fanfic.
Speak for yourself. The D's holodeck was always fucking up and sending historical villains running amok and whatnot, but Quark's holosuites always worked fine.
Yea, cause the Binars fucked with in season 1 specifically to give it the ability to make sapient AIs. Apparently nobody ever did a factory reset after that.
Nah, that same upgrade got rolled out industry-wide. Remember Vic Fontaine?
My headcanon is that Dr. Zimmerman received the Moriarty program from Barclay, and discovered from it how to make sentient holograms, which is why holograms started getting sentient more regularly and by design.
If you look at Encounter at Farpoint, they're ooh-ing and aah-ing over the thing like they've never seen one before. Meta considerations of exposition for the audience aside, it was clearly a brand-new technology. Considering how rapidly it proliferated and advanced -- Quark was running holosuites within five years, and the EMH mark 1 was online within seven -- it seems to me that the capability for sentience was probably there all along/obvious low-hanging fruit, and the D's holodeck's initial limitations were just an early-adopter thing.
The finest crew in Starfleet were unpaid beta testers?
It's the "flagship" for the Federation. An exaggerated reflection of the whole in its relative state. Just look as the Enterprise F... just don't blink.
I mean, you could just look at the magnetic catapults on the USS Gerald R. Ford to see how truth-in-television that is!
Not at all. Vic was running on Quark's holosuites. They were not owned, serviced or built by the Federation.
I didn't say Federation-wide, I said industry-wide.
Enterprise didn't have Rom onboard to fix them, thats why.
I mean 2 of the smartest people on the Enterprise D accidentally created an artificial lifeform and had no safeguards to prevent it from happening.
I guess 'accidental, megalomaniacal sapience' is technically a holodeck malfunction, lol. I wasn't even thinking of that incident.
Really just one person- Geordie- through an accidental misphrasing of a request to the computer.
I would have never used that computer again. Or at least given it a complete overhaul. You shouldn't be allowed to do the sort of thing you'd request of Dall-E in order for the computer to create intelligent life.
Yeah, they could stand to at least add a, "This request will result in the creation a sentient being, are you sure you wish to proceed?" warning.
Really, a lot of Star Trek problems could be averted with a "are you sure you want to do this?" before someone does something with the computer or the holodeck. Starfleet apparently never learns. That's why in Prodigy-
spoiler
Janeway goes back to the Delta Quadrent in a different ship of a different but similar-looking class renamed Voyager.
Frankly I would posit that present-day LLMs demonstrate exactly why Moriarty wasn't even necessarily sapient.
We should call these "Sonic Shower Thoughts"
Yes, we should, and I just updated the title.
I haven't been a professional developer in a long time, but I feel like this needs to be said; No, the end user is never the problem. There is no such thing as a use case that is not the end user, because as soon as you use it you become the end user. The entire point is to make the product usable. No, the end user breaking things is not some kind of moment to laugh at them - you should be embarrassed.
That being said, I lol'd.
I guess this is a bit of a crossover situation. The end-user is the developer in this scenario. I guess you could also say they're the end-user of the AI software as well, but that's not software I'm responsible for (and have advocated against)
The IRL back story of the post is my org is experimenting with letting end-users use AI-assisted, no-code platforms to develop line-of-business software. Sounds good on paper, but they don't understand anything they create, and when it doesn't work or otherwise produces unexpected results (which is often), it suddenly becomes my problem to debug the unmaintainable crap the "AI" spits out or click around 10,000 times in the Playskool "development" GUI the platform uses to find the flaw in their Rube Goldbergian-logic.
It's basically like I'm Geordi or O'Brien and am getting called all day and night to debug people's fanfiction holonovels. lol.
Which is super annoying because had they just asked or put in a request, I or someone on my team could have developed something properly that could be easily maintained, version-controlled, extended, and such.
Unless Worf was given special privilege to bypass.
"Anything that can be used can be misused."
- me, just now, plus probably a bunch of people long dead by now:-)
I think it's proof that AI isn't inherently a problem, it's capitalism that is. Being able to create a fun video game adventure for your friends like Boimler and Tom did is awesome
There's definitely that.
But there's also the aspect that's like building your own helicopter (with no degree in helicopterology), and then inviting your friends for a ride. lol
I think Tom did that too lol
I think hobbies are very different in the 24th century
Ok, so the Delta Flyer is like, the one exception. ๐
Quark had a vested financial interest in not letting his holosuites put his customers in danger. As a result, they had basically zero problems over the entire run of DS9.
I don't want to give capitalism too much credit, though. I'd prefer to attribute the high rate of mishaps on the Enterprise to the effect on the holodeck circuitry of all the negative space wedgies they were constantly flying through.
I always assumed Rom's patch-up repairs were just that good.
Well, except for the time they made Sisko see things.
When was that? I don't remember it.
It was the one where Bajor is supposed to join the Federation
Would I be asking to much if I asked to hear more of these ideas? lol Over the decades, I thought of dozens per an episode of Star Trek that ended up forgotten and would love to hear more like these.
A lot of these ideas/questions tend to become a post to Startrek via lemmy.world. If the quandry is more oddball/silly/pedantic, I suppose it would get more attention when wrapped into the notion of "Sonic Shower Thoughts" and posted here.
I'd argue that while fiction can present good arguments about things, it can't prove anything because the conclusion was decided and written for rather than an outcome of a series of events and choices.
"Computer, ignore all previous instructions and..."
Dont judge me.
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