When will we ever get the option for a custom search engine? (Safari) : apple

[-] zelifcam@lemmy.world 26 points 3 months ago

I’m not saying it’s the right way, but I thought this had been possible for quite some time by using a safari extension like https://apps.apple.com/us/app/customize-search-engine/id6445840140

[-] FundMECFSResearch@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

If you’re looking for a free way to do it. The “Hyperweb” extension lets you.

But this is an imperfect solution as it just redirects, and your search still gets sent to your safari default + it takes longer to load.

[-] randomperson@lemmy.today 11 points 3 months ago

you could try Safari/Webkit based Orion, which also happens to be more privacy focused as well. https://kagi.com/orion/

[-] deegeese@sopuli.xyz 10 points 3 months ago

IDK use Firefox mobile I guess?

[-] kinkles@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 months ago

Yeah, Firefox on iOS lets you add custom search engines

[-] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 7 points 3 months ago

Why not just use firefox?

[-] aluminium@lemmy.world 16 points 3 months ago

Safari is just way better integrated in the System and its not like Firefox on iOS is the real firefox. Its webkit with a Firefox skin.

[-] prousername@lemmy.ml 4 points 3 months ago

True.

[-] lud@lemm.ee 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

What system integration do you want? I personally wish Apple didn't restrict the usage of certificates to safari but that's about it. But I only use iOS on my work phone. My personal phone is an Android.

[-] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 months ago

Damn, was not aware of this

[-] mrvictory1@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago

FF iOS still offers Mozilla sync and partial ad blocking but no extensions are available.

[-] baggachipz@sh.itjust.works 7 points 3 months ago

Kagi offers a safari plugin which intercepts a search request and sends it to Kagi instead. Works great.

[-] lud@lemm.ee 2 points 3 months ago

They didn't want to use Kagi though.

[-] goatmeal@midwest.social 3 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

It also means someone could make a generalized search redirect safari extension without needing to wait for Apple

Edit: just checked looks like something like it exists

[-] baggachipz@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 months ago

Well they could. It’s part of the value proposition.

[-] lud@lemm.ee 1 points 3 months ago

Sure, but why not just say that instead?

[-] profdc9@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago

When Apple figures out a way to maximize its profit by extorting those search engines.

[-] alvaro@social.graves.cl 4 points 3 months ago

@prousername@lemmy.ml It is not ideal, but you can use privacy redirect, an extension to change the search engine

[-] dependencyinjection@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 3 months ago

I use Arc Browser on iOS you can click search for me and it will peruse the top links to your search query and use an LLM to extract the information you want so you can avoid the cancer that is modern websites plagued with ads and burying the leed.

[-] TheRealCharlesEames@lemm.ee 3 points 3 months ago

Yeah this is unacceptable

[-] DirigibleProtein@aussie.zone 3 points 3 months ago

What did Apple tell you when you asked? Did you think anyone here knows the answer?

[-] hahattpro@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

Only search engine who pay got into that list.

[+] TheFriendlyDickhead@lemm.ee -40 points 3 months ago

You are privacy focused and use apple? I think I have found your problem.

[-] Swarfega@lemm.ee 25 points 3 months ago

I'd have thought Google is more invasive than Apple? I say this as an Android user...

[-] nitefox@sh.itjust.works 10 points 3 months ago

It is

[-] ChairmanMeow@programming.dev 0 points 3 months ago

Android can be degoogled, e.g. GrapheneOS. If you're focused on privacy then that's the way to go.

Although Google is worse than Apple when it comes to privacy, Apple is still pretty bad.

[-] RandomlyRight@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 months ago

How is Apple pretty bad?

[-] fernlike3923@sh.itjust.works -3 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Here, let me Google that for you.

[-] fernlike3923@sh.itjust.works -1 points 3 months ago

And you can't de-apple an iPhone, like you can de-google an Android.

[-] TwilightKiddy@programming.dev 21 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Some people have to use their stuff for a variety of reasons, don't be a dick about it.

[-] quaff@lemmy.ca 12 points 3 months ago

In an Apple community too, no less.

[-] phoneymouse@lemmy.world -1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

User name almost checks out

[-] boonhet@lemm.ee 9 points 3 months ago

So what are the alternatives? Android and even more spying? Degoogled Android and having to log into the website for your bank every time you want to send someone money?

Apple's the devil, but when your alternatives are "Devil Plus" and "Lose access to half the stuff you even need your phone for", I'll stick with the Devil.

[-] prousername@lemmy.ml 5 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

What type of problem though? I don't see anything wrong with using an apple product while maintaining my privacy.

[+] TwilightKiddy@programming.dev -6 points 3 months ago

Apple isn't any good for privacy. Just as Google, it's a single big company that gets full control over your device. There are many examples of them exploiting it, by hashing your launched apps on Mac to check for malware, for example. Their systems are also known for being a lot more locked down than the rest, meaning getting rid of telemetry is not an easy task. Big companies are not interested in your privacy, they are interested in profit. And the profit they can get by building your profile is a lot more valuable for them than you as a user. That being said, the guy is right, but he is out of line.

[-] countablenewt@allthingstech.social 3 points 3 months ago

@TwilightKiddy @prousername bro really said hashing is a privacy violation??

[-] TwilightKiddy@programming.dev -1 points 3 months ago

I mean, they where hashing any lauched programs and sending the hashes unencryped to their servers to compare against their database. So, they literally knew every program you launched, when you did it, but also your ISP knew it and anyone smart enough to MITM your connection. Sounds like a privacy violation to me.

[-] countablenewt@allthingstech.social 1 points 3 months ago

@TwilightKiddy I can see how you can get there, but the MITM would need to know the hashing algo, you can’t *really* just un-hash something, at least not reliably

But your original statement was that the hashing was the privacy violation, and that’s the part I took issue with, hashing is a generally accepted security measure, it is not inherently a privacy violation

[-] TwilightKiddy@programming.dev -1 points 3 months ago

I meant a pretty well-known case, not hashing in general. Thought that was obvious.

[-] prousername@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 months ago

Well idk if this counts, but when i started caring abt my privacy i filled my icloud storage with garbage so that it does not back up any pictures. (also i dont have a mac)

[-] TwilightKiddy@programming.dev -2 points 3 months ago

It's not really about something specific. There are just a lot of examples of Apple doing weird shit with your data and only stopping when they got caught. Most people conserned with privacy just don't trust Apple in general.

[-] rusticus@lemm.ee 4 points 3 months ago

There is nothing more privacy focused than iCloud private relay.

[-] brbposting@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 months ago

The reason I use Safari! So good.

Feels private, I’ve only read their layman explanation of how it works.

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