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I guess I'm outing myself as never read the Silmarillion. Can you explain?
The Silmarillion basically reads like the Bible and there's a lot of "the orcs had life and multiplied" lines in there talking about the creation of the different races.
Likewise
"Nooooo if you humanize my go-to for inherently evil races how will I refer to Russians and anyone else I don't like?!"
This guy is such a dumbass. I watched a gaming video from him BY ACCIDENT (his gaming channel has a different name) about interviewing Jill from Resident Evil 1 and the actress wanted nothing to do with him. GEE WOW WONDER WHY?
Was it... because of woke?
She probably saw who he was and she doesn't want to do interviews as it is, fans of RE have been trying to get her to come forward for years now.
I much prefer the Sigmarizzion myself
Silmondeeznuts
Admittedly while Tolkien wrote that even he would probably not be likely to portray sympathetic, oppressed orcs like in the pic. I don't remember any of the silmarillion being concerned with them at least.
I'm not old enough to know what the much smaller pre-movie lotr fan base was like. Right now there are a bunch of reactionary nerds who sort of hide in it because of Tolkein's more antiquated Britishness (racism) and I wonder if the fandom was always like that
Tolkien was inconsistent over the years about orcs. Where they came from and whether they were purely evil was just kind of an afterthought to their purpose - someone for the heroes to fight. Kind of like his whole world was just a place for his hobby languages to exist in.
I thought it was really clear in the Silmarillion that they were elves taken captive by morgoth and corrupted through torture. So like there's obviously a sympathetic way to approach this.
The Silmarillion is like fifty percent t Christopher Tolkien piecing things together. The guy changed his mind a few times regarding orcs and became more sympathetic to them each time but to work that in Christopher would have to change a lot of the silmarilliom to match. In lord of the rings itself (the books) You do get examples of orcs talking among themselves and they are intelligent, have independent goals and ideas and different cultures based on where they come from. The orcs guarding Cirith Ungol talk about how they hate their boss and would rather be back in the mountains just being normal bandits.
Definitely, I'm not arguing against that. I think its good that people are consciously moving away from the evil races trope. I just don't think what Tolkien thought about it one way or the other is that important.
It was interesting as someone who was into The Hobbit long before the Lord of the Rings trilogy was released. I grew up with the 1977 animation like a lot of kids my age. Wood elves were purple, orcs had two throats, and dragons had dog faces and cat eyes.
I never saw it growing up, but for many children, Aragorn/Strider looked like this:
So anywho, LotR being Norse/Celtic analogous was new when the Jackson films came out. This doesn't even get into the artwork done by people like John Blanche, Ian Miller, or Frank Frazetta.
I grew up with the 1977 animation like a lot of kids my age. Wood elves were purple, orcs had two throats, and dragons had dog faces and cat eyes
As they were meant to lol. I actually just rewatched it for the first time in years last night!
LotR being Norse/Celtic analogous was new when the Jackson films came out
Yeah the whole reactionary "Men of the West" shit didn't to my knowledge exist before the films. Along with the rest of the Viking obsessed reactionary thing in the mainstream
i dunno what you mean, men of the west is just english for dunedain. in his conceit of translating the book from the original westron, the toponymy around bree was always meant to have celtic vibes and the rohirrim were always meant to have anglo-saxon vibes.
the dwarves had gothic-sounding names (in english translation) because they took those names from people related to the rohirrim, and since the rohirrim were getting anglo-saxon-coded, these guys got a related gothic-coding.
and there were always nazis who liked the books and liked to read their own shit into it.
When i read the books, back in the pre-movie days i was a kid, so i wouldn't have been able to pick up on what was reactionary or not. But i think the general feeling of that time was that the books were anti-war. And while they were about adventure and wars, they stood out by centering the hobbits who weren't warriors and prized simple, peaceful living.
The books reputation then was more about the feeling of histrory to the world that Tolkein built into it (i don't remember hearing the term world building back then, but that's what we'd say today). And then about the anti-war themes especially in the Hobbit and the parrells to WW1 and WW2 in LOTR
Right, I should make it clear that I don't feel like LotR or Tolkien more broadly have nothing good to be said about them, just that there are a bunch of reactionaries who see LotR's inherent fantasy lookism and binary semi-Christian morality as last bastions of their lame reactionary worldview.
At the end of the day it's (as always) a bunch of boring culture war fought within the medium of people's treats of choice in an economic environment that structurally divorces people in it from the consequences of their political reality.
I should make it clear that I don't feel like LotR or Tolkien more broadly have nothing good to be said about them,
For sure, i don't want to make it sound like their aren't problematic things or things that shouldn't be critiqued. I have a lot of problems with it, and i get that reactionaries see what they see in it
What's even the context? Do they portray orcs sympathetically in a scene? Are they hugging here?
Yes and they're holding an orc baby
I hate Tolkien simply for the fact that every annoying nerd seems to fetishize him. Bring back wedgies and swirlies