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Dear Red Hat: Are you dumb? (www.jeffgeerling.com)
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[-] cyclohexane@lemmy.ml 63 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Not surprised. A for-profit corporation wanting more money. Especially as we enroach further into late stage capitalism where corporations struggle to find more territory to profiteer from and squeeze more profit out of us.

The era of free services being profitable is ending rapidly, and we see this across many areas in the world.

[-] taladar@sh.itjust.works 50 points 2 years ago

I wouldn't say they aren't profitable, I would say the greed outweighs profitability.

[-] albert180@feddit.de 20 points 2 years ago
[-] daemon@discuss.tchncs.de 14 points 2 years ago
[-] QuazarOmega@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago

Lmao, I'll need to use this more frequently

[-] cyclohexane@lemmy.ml 25 points 2 years ago

You're right. I should say "profit growth" which is what corporations look for. You can have solid growth, but unless it's growing, they don't care.

[-] Skooshjones@vlemmy.net 22 points 2 years ago

Part of the Capitalist mythos for sure, "if you're not growing, you're dying." There's a rejection of the idea that you could reach a healthy equilibrium of size and just remain there.

And because of the way the rest of the market works, it forces everybody to act like that or get beat out completely. Vicious feedback loops.

[-] x3i@lemmy.x3i.tech 17 points 2 years ago

There's a word for sth that grows unlimited and uncontrolled. Cancer.

[-] redcalcium@c.calciumlabs.com 43 points 2 years ago

I was wondering when Red Hat enshittification would began the moment IBM announced the acquisition. Turns out it begins today.

[-] azertyfun@sh.itjust.works 15 points 2 years ago

They announced the discontinuation of CentOS in 2020. That's when it started for me. This is just more of the same crusade against people "using RHEL for free" (which I'm sure none of the suits at IBM even begin to understand the value of, the real wonder is that RH managed to resist this move for so long).

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[-] albert@lemmy.sysctl.io 4 points 2 years ago

Took longer than I expected tbh. Time to reimage all my Rocky servers I guess. I really liked the 10 years of support they offered.

[-] pezhore@lemmy.ml 27 points 2 years ago

Jeff Geerling consistently has the most compatible, tested, updated, and well documented Ansible rolls out there. If I need to get some niche software installed and there is a geerlingguy role for it - I breathe a sigh of relief.

If he is considering stopping support for RedHat and it's various distros - that is massive.

Maybe IBM can hire the Reddit CEO when he is fired to head up Red Hat. Seems like a perfect fit

[-] bumbly@readit.buzz 7 points 2 years ago

I was wondering why you were mentioning IBM, then I read that they bought it for 34B. This decision tracks...

[-] ulu_mulu@lemmy.world 27 points 2 years ago

It's most probably IBM forcing it, but yeah it's dumb.

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[-] linearchaos@lemmy.world 18 points 2 years ago

Ohh, let's see, pay for Redhat which will rot away without community support or use one of a dozen other distros. Sorry yum, it's been fun.

[-] Nintendo@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago

you'd be surprised how many comps use RHEL just for the "I'm completely fucked and I need corporate level support" or "we need a data center completely off the rack" or "we wanna throw money at this problem" or "we need somebody to sue or point our finger at if we get majorly fucked" or "we need an OS that meets compliance" use cases. many comps won't just use some random community built OS to run their shit regardless of the community support. at the end of the day, many corporations with very complex requirements don't have many legitimate data center OS options available.

[-] albert180@feddit.de 16 points 2 years ago

How is this supposed to work with GPL ? Because anyone owning a copy is free to redistribute sources

[-] _s10e@feddit.de 19 points 2 years ago

The plan is to give the source Code to paying customers. This is gpl-compliant.

[-] aport@programming.dev 9 points 2 years ago

The concern is that Red Hat terminates your account if you redistribute the source to another party. This feels like an additional restriction placed on the source code, which if it is, would indeed violate the GPL.

[-] _s10e@feddit.de 6 points 2 years ago

Now THIS is a GPL-violation or at least a serious concern and asshole move.

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[-] cyclohexane@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 years ago

Yeah, it's a big myth that GPL prevents corporate profiteering.

[-] d3Xt3r@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 years ago

I haven't seen this in person so I can only speculate, but I bet they'll only provide the sources as a tarball or something instead of a git repo, which will make it a PITA for anyone do actually do anything useful with it. I mean, you could potentially still build a full distro from it, but you wouldn't be able to feasibly maintain it without the ability to do a sync and merge from upstream. So this way, Red Hat achieves their goal of being able to kill any spinoff distro, whilst still remaining compliant with the GPL.

[-] pete@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago

Additionally, they have to release sources for the projects but not necessarily for things like the spec files or the rpms.

Here's the source for the kernel . . . .

Thanks I can get that from kernel.org

It's the part that's not GPL that's the value add here.

[-] aport@programming.dev 4 points 2 years ago

Build scripts are absolutely required by the GPL

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[-] FrankTheHealer@lemmy.ml 15 points 2 years ago

Yeah fuck this move. Seems incredibly short sighted and a huge fuck you to the community.

[-] rustbuckett@mastodon.social 18 points 2 years ago
[-] domi@lemmy.secnd.me 6 points 2 years ago

Is there even a Debian based distro that is up to date like Fedora, does not have snaps and does not have "Unstable" in its name?

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[-] ijurisic@lemmy.ml 14 points 2 years ago
[-] tubbadu@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago
[-] DarkDarkHouse 6 points 2 years ago

Feel the Hat Red flow through you

[-] Klicnik@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 years ago

I have seen IBM do this multiple times. When they buy a company, they leave it pretty much alone for a year or two. Then they start to make their IBM changes to it, and change it enough to make anyone that knew the product before them hate it. IBM buying RedHat was the beginning of the end. I told my boss about it the day I read the news of the IBM buyout, "We need to stop using CentOS for any new systems."

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[-] doink@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago

Please don't fuck up my beloved fedora. Kind regards.

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[-] taladar@sh.itjust.works 13 points 2 years ago

I am basically in the same boat, interacting with RHEL mostly because some of our customers insist on using it. It is already a giant pain with its tiny number of packages and the whole license tool struggles. At least so far we could build our internal tooling and the software we build for our customers on simple Centos or Alma Docker containers and use those for test systems as well. But now dealing with RHEL at all suddenly became an order of magnitude more painful, especially as others will also reduce support for it in their third party software we use.

[-] qprimed@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 years ago

the whole stream debacle was a massive red flag for me. at that point the decision was made to completely transition the tiny number of remaining RHEL based systems to debian and be done with it.

red hat has contributed much to the FLOSS ecosystem and some may require the corporate backed walled garden, but stream was (and this is) exactly the sort of unhelpful drama no one needs right now.

[-] RedCanasta@lemmy.fmhy.ml 11 points 2 years ago

Redhat: Yes, but also we are liars.

[-] flickertail@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago

*sigh* Do I have to go abandon Fedora now too? I really hope they don't pull a CentOS on that one

[-] hozl@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago

I highly doubt this would affect Fedora. Thankfully, it's community driven and self-goverened so Red Hat execs can't go and tell them what to do. (Though I don't know how many ties the Fedora council had to Red Hat)

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[-] NotAWhiteTShirt@lemmy.ml 9 points 2 years ago

I gave up on RedHat when they gave up on the community. I wish them well, but I'm never going to use or recommend RedHat again,

[-] MoreCoffee@lemm.ee 8 points 2 years ago

I'm not sure how confident I feel about Fedora's future lately.

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[-] Marxine@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago

sigh Time to go back to either openSUSE or Debian....

[-] RangerHere@programming.dev 13 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Come to the Debian side, it's all unicorns and rainbows here 🥳🦄

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[-] Dalek@kbin.social 6 points 2 years ago

I’m honestly surprised it took Red Hat this long to do something like this. It really is a dreadful move even if they can do it.

[-] bishopolis@lemmy.ca 6 points 2 years ago

While Jeff's support for ELs has been imperfect - I marveled at the supply-chain issues gleefully baked into the drupal vagrant stuff - I came here to really say:

IBM's not really the poster-child for preserving the sanctity of source code in the past (cough cough Monterey cough), and I'm surprised they're even suggesting everyone respect their own demands around that.

[-] ngoomie@pawb.social 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Wow what the hell, this is the first I'm hearing of this change. I use Rocky Linux for my server atm and I was thinking I liked it for server use quite a lot more than Fedora, but if they're going to do this then I'm going to have to jump ship unfortunately. Maybe I'll go back to Debian. Or even better, maybe I'll try using Devuan in a prod server setup for once?

I'm super not happy to have to jump ship again though when I JUST settled into something I'm comfortable with that works near perfectly well for my usecases, after multiple years of jumping around undecided.

E: Although I did just read that statement from the Rocky Linux team, and maybe it'll be fine? But I'm still gonna prepare to move just in case this fucks over the Rocky Linux ecosystem anyways

[-] RL_Dane@fosstodon.org 4 points 2 years ago

@REdOG

IBM: We poured money and resources into Linux before 99% of the business world had even heard of it. We helped make it great. Why shouldn't we require a return on that investment?

PLEASE UNDERSTAND, I think IBM/RH is bone-headed as heck and are now inexcusable violators of the GPL, and other licenses.

I knew they were going to *break* RH and make it something abominable.

But they *were* there at the very beginning of the 2000s, promoting Linux heavily. (Not altruistically, of course)

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