Biden and Harris call the Israeli strike killing Hezbollah’s Nasrallah a 'measure of justice' (apnews.com)

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[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 19 points 2 months ago

So we're just supporting Israel starting a regional war huh?

[-] ChihuahuaOfDoom@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago

3 things you can count on, death, taxes, and war in the middle east.

[-] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 2 months ago

3 things you can count on, death, taxes, and ~~war~~ genocide in the middle east.

FTFY.

[+] DarkGamer@fedia.io -16 points 2 months ago

They didn't start this, but they will finish it.

[-] Breezy@lemmy.world 12 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Idk when Israel came into existence by destroying Palestine, they definitely started a lot. All of the problems? No but they started a lot.

[+] gedaliyah@lemmy.world -17 points 2 months ago

Palestine has never existed as a state. It was supposed to be created for the first time alongside the state of Israel in 1948, but the Arabs rejected the UN transition plan and went to war against the newly formed Israel instead of accepting independence.

Please learn a little history before commenting on it.

[-] Breezy@lemmy.world 17 points 2 months ago

You're so full of shit. Palestine was a real place that real people lived in for countless years. They were ripped from their homes while being killed and raped in order to make a new home of israel. I took a class on this so dont act like im not informed while you spew propaganda out your fingers.

[+] gedaliyah@lemmy.world -15 points 2 months ago

If Palestine was a country, what date was it founded? What was the system of government? Who was the first head of state? Who was the most recent head of state prior to 1948?

You may need to check your notes from the one class you took.

[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 18 points 2 months ago

Literally the same argument used to genocide the Native Americans.

[+] gedaliyah@lemmy.world -11 points 2 months ago

Quite the stretch. Palestine was a region of the British Empire, prior to that a region of the Ottoman Empire, and so on. The region was always part of an established state going all the way back to the Kingdom of Israel in the 10th century BCE.

The existence of a unique Palestinian national identity emerged probably in the 20th century. Possibly 19th.

[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 9 points 2 months ago

The people that lived in that region certainly didn't think of themselves as British or Ottomans, and neither did the British or the Ottomans. That's just colonialism.

This revisionist "Palestine isn't real" nonsense is indistinguishable from the justification for the Holocaust. Jews were seen as parasites without their own nation-state, rootless cosmopolitans and not really people, and so they had to be exterminated. Now the fascists are coming for Palestinians, and with the same fucking justifications as always.

Stop spewing revisionist fascist history. This was the lie that was used to justify the Nakba and it's the lie they're using now to justify turning Gaza into a death camp.

[-] gedaliyah@lemmy.world -4 points 2 months ago

I should clarify. I never said that Palestine was/is not real. Palestine was a region made of primarily of Jews and Arabs. They thought of themselves as Palestinian Jews and Palestinian Arabs. The Arabs of the region certainly considered themselves a part of the Pan-Arab identity.

[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 months ago

Palestine has never existed as a state. It was supposed to be created for the first time alongside the state of Israel in 1948, but the Arabs rejected the UN transition plan and went to war against the newly formed Israel instead of accepting independence.

It sure sounded like you were saying Palestine is not real.

Let me clarify too - many of the people called "Arabs" in Palestine were descended from Jews that converted to Islam, as well other Levantine and Semitic peoples in the region. It was actually only under the Ottomans that there was this distinction created between Palestinian Arabs and Palestinian Jews, before that many Palestinians can trace their families back to their Jewish roots.

Unfortunately Zionists continued this racist program to further segregate their home into ethnostates instead of forming a single multi-ethnic, multi-religious democracy. Then they got a white European dominated UN to force a racist agreement onto the rest of Palestinians, which would give the best and most land to the Jews while kicking the rest of Palestinians out of their homes. Why the fuck would they agree to a colonial partition plan and let their land be taken from them?

There is no justification for ethnostates. Only a single multi-ethnic, multi-religious democracy from the river to the sea.

[-] Breezy@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

I wish i paid for the ultrea version of my app of choice just so i could group you into the malicious dumb fuck section. You dont believe of what you say, you simply parrot russian talking points.

[-] gedaliyah@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago

So 1 - support app developers. Just get it. 2- Russia is ridiculously pro-Palestinian, pro-Iran, Anti-Israel, so I think that's a pretty wide swing and a miss. Slava Ukraini. 3 - it's not a matter of belief, it is simply a fact that before Israel was established, Palestine was a region of the British mandate, prior to that it was a region of the Ottoman Empire, and so on from one empire to another all the way back to the time of the the Jewish Kingdom of Solomon.

In the early 20th Century, Palestine was a mix of Jewish, Arab, Druze, Bedoin, etc. Jewish Palestinians and Arab Palestinians were the two largest population groups, both of whom helped the Allies in WWI. Both were acknowledged as having a natural right to establish a state in their native land. The British eventually determined that the UN was in the best position to negotiate and define the borders, which they did. The Jews accepted the borders and declared their State, the Arabs did not. Rather, they launched a military campaign against the State of Israel. Portions of what would have been the State of Palestine were captured by Egypt, Jordan, and Israel.

Please research all of these statements. They are not my personal beliefs or opinions. They are uncontroversial facts.

[-] FelixCress@lemmy.world 10 points 2 months ago

I sincerely hope Harris will change her tune after she is elected. Supporting war criminals is shameful.

[-] Llewellyn@lemm.ee 4 points 2 months ago

If only the president's position was not just a mockup in the hands of the establishment...

[-] gedaliyah@lemmy.world -5 points 2 months ago

What are you talking about? Nasrallah is a war criminal.

[-] FelixCress@lemmy.world 12 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

What are you talking about?

Netanyahu, known war criminal, currently under investigation, with an arrest warrant in the pipeline.

[-] rbesfe@lemmy.ca 6 points 2 months ago

A terrorist shithead terrorising the civilians of a corrupt and genocidal regime is still a terrorist shithead. Good ridance.

[-] Dkarma@lemmy.world 8 points 2 months ago

All good until someone bombs your sovereign nation under the pretext of

Checks notes

Being political opposition.

[-] DarkGamer@fedia.io 6 points 2 months ago

He did more than just, "being political opposition." He launched attacks on Israel. You know, bombing a sovereign nation, the very thing you're complaining about.

[-] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 2 months ago

Sleazy ice cream boomer.

[-] xenomor@lemmy.world -2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

There is no depth to which Joe Biden will not sink to prop up, arm, cover for, pay, or deflect accountability from Israel. He is a zealot, devoted to a racist, un-democratic state and its culture of ethnic purity and regional domination. He is a monster who would be undeserving of his role as president, if the country he presided over wasn’t itself a violent, racist stain on humanity. Harris should be given an opportunity to course correct, but we all know that she won’t. She has no actual ideology other than self promotion. Her party has been captured monetarily by the Israeli lobby, as has most of congress. Despite a lot of flowery rhetoric, the only consistent US principle is a willingness to ignore US principles if there is profit or power to be had. As a US citizen, I hope our allies realize how duplicitous we are, and how shallow our calls for unity, peace and order are. The US should not be trusted, and our demon child Israel should never, ever be legitimized as anything other than the cancer it keeps choosing to be.

[-] Dkarma@lemmy.world 8 points 2 months ago

Religion is poison example #582747274928384.3

[-] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 months ago

The worst religion of all....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_religion

[-] steventhedev@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

Are you ok?

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