Just started getting this now. Hopefully it's some A/B testing that they'll stop doing, but I'm not holding my breath
I love that society is basically stratifying into groups based on tech knowledge - it all seems very Cyberpunk.
The more technology pervades society the more pronounced this will get. The sheer helplessness of people when faced with problems that seem trivial to some is scary. Especially when you see people losing final theses or critical work related data because they never learned about backups.
Add to that tech companies trying to hide the concept of a file system, and it seems like this is by design to sell more shit.
As someone with technical knowledge sometimes I get locked out of things because I block ads or refuse Javascript. For instance, I had to turn off my pihole so I could sign into my Microsoft account to play Minecraft. Or the times I encounter a website that breaks on Firefox.
The Microsoft Minecraft login thing is getting pretty insane.
The worst part was that it just showed a black window, with no controls or indication of what was wrong. Thankfully this sort of thing happens so often my first reaction is to turn off my pihole for a few minutes.
If you're getting locked out of those things, those things are not worth using
I'm pretty sure my divorce lawyer's document management system is something that's worth using even if I have to use chrome and disable ad blocking.
I mean, of course, but that's a little out of the realm of your control. Minecraft isnt lol
You cant just make it work?
Unfortunately not. Some things just don't work on Firefox no matter how hard you try.
What did she use? Chrome?
This is my stance.
Like, the cost of doing business is jumping through stupid ass hoops. If you don't want to do that, don't join? Or be okay with doing funky ass work arounds.
I like the SearX search engine. It gives old-school, relevant search results, not google ranked ones.
It's also spread out over many separate instances, so you can pick the one that best suits your search needs:
Smells a bit Musky
It's open source and can be self-hosted. I use something similar called Whoogle that I run in a local Docker container. Strips ads, javascript, tracking, and amp links
I've been happy with Qwant lately, they have their own index so using them doesn't support the Google + Bing hegemony. They're also EU based and regulated by the gdpr.
I know this may come off as a surprise: but I imagine that requiring JS in 2024 isn't a big deal to most people.
Now of course Lemmy skews more into that small crowd.
I don't blame any website for requiring JS for full functionality in 2024.
All of the people replying to this saying you shouldn't need JS are totally unaware how modern web development works.
Yes, you could do many sites without JS, but the entire workforce for web development is trained with JS frameworks. To do otherwise would slow development time down significantly, not allow for certain functionality to exist (functionality you would 100% be unhappy was missing).
Its not a question of possibility, its a question of feasibility.
I wish JS would die and we get nice and simple websites back. I hate web dev so god damn much. The internet is pure enshittification
I don't know how to tell you this, but removing JS doesn't turn the internet into a wonderland. Capitalism is to blame for enshitification not JS
My question is if it wasn't required before and is required now, what changed? It's not like Google has added a killer feature recently - this is almost certainly related to those shitty AI answers that are forcing your actual search results even further down the page than they were already.
It wasn't required, but id wager 99% of website that exist currently run JS in some form or another for something.
Id wager its impossible to have anything dynamic on a webpage without JS (minus visual dynamics which can be handled with css), at that point you have to replace it with a different programming language and every browser needs to completely change gears to allow other code to run instead. But what advantage is gained by changing to another programming language? Cleaner code w/ less jankyness? Sure I guess, but we would be moving mountains to accomplish a silly thing.
I'm wondering if many people in this thread understand what JS is and does.
Even things like lazy loading and such require js though
A lot of features might not be obvious honestly
If you're interested though, you could check the source which should be able to tell you immediately what they use it for
I love how Lemmy users just assume everyone is a coder... Just a funny observation, not being rude. Lol
Google is a text input and a list of links. It should work without JS.
For full functionality sure. For basic functionality no. Searching on Google is basic functionality I'd say.
Not really. Showing ads and gobbling up data is Google Search's core functionality, and JS is indispensible for that.
Idk if you were around when Google popped up, but it was at a time where the internet was feeling increasingly "loaded" with thousands of info per page. One where the popular engines tried to serve you twenty different things along with your search. Here's an example:
https://www.definitions-seo.com/images/altavista-3.jpg
Or another:
https://www.webdesignmuseum.org/uploaded/timeline/yahoo/yahoo-2003.png
This isn't a search engine. This is an all you can eat buffet, where the smallest plate is two main courses and three sides. And users just wanted a candy bar.
So you see, a lot of us started to use Google because it was simple. It was decluttered. It was a text input with a 'submit' button, and that's all we wanted. THAT is, and was, google's core functionality, and I think it'd do them well to remember that.
Now, if you wanna argue that's changed, I can agree to that. But I don't want morning news when I search for porn, that's just gonna kill my boner. And I don't want ads about coffee makers when I've just bought a coffee maker, that just means you're incompetent. I want a search engine that searches things and provides results. That's it. And just like Google caught momentum because they delivered this minimalistic facade that the users wanted, this is also how Google will die - at the hands of the next lightweight engine without corporate bullshit. Because the users will gobble it up.
You should still be able to use something like Lynx to browse and search. There's no reason to block basic functionality except that you can and don't care.
I might be out of my depth here, but isn't like virtually the entire internet powered by Javascript? What are the negative implications for Google requiring JS?
A lot of the web is powered by JS, but much less of it needs to be. Here's a couple of sites that are part of a trend to not unnecessarily introduce it:
The negative implications for Google requiring JS is that they will use it to track everything possible about you that they can, even down to how you move your cursor, or how much battery you have left on your phone in order to jack up prices, or any other number of shitty things.
Htmx does use javascript under the hood, but just makes it so the developer can use html markdown for more a more interactive environment that's driven sever side. So the initial page load should render, but UI elements might not work as intended.
htmx is more a move back to REST as it was originally defined (aka not json backend).
They're also working with browser developers to push htmx into web standards, so that hopefully soon you won't even need htmx/JS/etc, it'll just be what your browser does by default
Jesus Christ no.
As a web developer, nooooooo.
Booo! I knew I made the right decision switching to DDG.
Use LibreX or a fork called LibreY, it's a JS-free proxy for Google search
There's a list of instances at https://librey.org/instances.php
Something similar exists for DuckDuckGo btw, it's called 4get
Or you can just use SearXNG, a meta search engine that aggregates results from multiple sources
The comments I come to Lemmy for!
There are so many alternatives
Yep. I use Noscript and DDG Lite by default. Just putting into duckduckgo: !g will search google without having to turn JS on...looks like Duckduckgo wins again, even when it comes to using google, lol.
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