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I need a new car, and I really want to go full electric. I'm wondering if anyone regrets buying one? What are the downsides?

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[-] UsefulInfoPlz@lemmy.world 6 points 14 hours ago

So… the work i do requires a truck. I bought a lightning last year. The electric part i loved. Charging at home was awesome. FL sucks on charging stations outside of major cities though and are expensive. In the end i went back to Ram mostly due to how horrible ford’s onboard software is. Everything else about the truck was great. I’ll give manufacturers another 3-5 years to get things figured out and hopefully by then prices will be reasonable and things will work properly.

[-] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 5 points 14 hours ago

Fisker Ocean owners that paid full sticker price I am sure.

[-] AA5B@lemmy.world 5 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago)

No regrets, coming up on a year …

  • if you can charge at home, it’s a no-brainer, but I know people who say it’s no big deal to go to a charger every week
  • level 2 charger was $400 + electrician was same as a stove circuit, so less expensive than I expected. I could get away with less
  • you don’t need trip chargers nearby, but you do want them on route you’re likely to road trip. The closest one I’ve used is 100 miles away
  • you really need to be able to use Tesla Supercharger network. It makes travel so convenient

I did get range anxiety for a while, but never an actual problem. 1,200 mile road trip fixed that. The first leg from VpBoston to Virginia, my excellent (Tesla) trip planner scheduled charging stops of 10, 10, and 4 minutes, whereas I’d normally expect two stops and a meal, so not really noticeably longer. The final leg was a bit tougher, returning from upstate NY, but mostly because a lack of chargers. It ended up no big deal

[-] downdaemon@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

what do you do if you just straight up run out of charge out on the road?

[-] southernbrewer@lemmy.world 8 points 16 hours ago

We have a Nissan Leaf (30kWh) which has been great. No regrets.

The things you worry about before buying (range, battery life) are absolute non-issues. For optimal battery longevity you don't want to use a fast charger very often, so just charge it at home which is generally more convenient anyway. You can make exceptions occasionally when you need to.

We use it for city driving, for which the range is more than adequate and we mostly only charge it every few days. We haven't yet attempted to take it on a proper road trip; so far we just borrow a friend's hybrid if we need to do that, basically to avoid having to think about charging.

[-] bstix@feddit.dk 16 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago)

No regrets, but I do acknowledge that it's very different and has different challenges. The usual worries before buying about range, mileage, battery drainage, top speed, maintenance fees, towing capability etc, do not actually exist. I understand why people worry, but no, they are not actual issues.

In reality: Software. That's an issue. Car mechanics do not know how to service software. Doesn't matter if it's a subscription to a service or a mandatory but malfunctioning pressure valve, it's software and they don't know about it. It usually not a serious issue, but it might be, especially for cars with a lot of gimmicks and shit. This issue also exist with new fossil fueled cars as well. For most part, it can be ignored.

The charger at home may be an issue. (Maybe i. Europe mostly?) Some cars only accept voltages with a very low resistance. Both Renault and Tesla require a better grounding than the building code in most countries. It's not costly to fix, and it's a one time fix, but it may be a surprise..(that you need to expand on your electric circuit just for this), but you should have done anyway).

I will acknowledge that range is a downside. Not in everyday use, but for longer trips, you will have to plan your trip according to charging. It has never been an issue for me, because I generally never drive that long without pause anyway. Time it to to your breaks is all there is to it.

For a comuter car with home charging, you will have absolutely no issues in switching. It does have many more surprising positives than negatives. Like, never having to set foot on a gas station. Never mind the cost, but the time spent on going there or stopping on your commute to do it, or holding the nozzle in the cold, or being tempted to buy stuff in the convenience store etc. In comparison, I go home and plug in to charge my car, exactly the same way that I charge my phone, so it's ready for the next day. It's not difficult at all. It might take 30 secons and more often than than fueling but it's still much faster than stopping on the road, gas or not.

Only actual real downside for me is that I'm also a cheapskate. I prefer to time my charging to the variable electricity prices, but not everyone has that option and it's completely voluntary.. I'm not sure if it's worth it. Sure, i save a few bucks, but the hassle of it is real. I am considering changing to a subscription model instead, just to avoid worrying about it.

The best advice that I got before buying was: "Just drive it".

Don't think about it: It's a tool, use it. In a lot of ways an EV is much better suited for that, because you only need to worry about it being ready to use. You probably never thought of that for your ICE car, because you'd do refueling and other fluids on the road. If you fuel at home, you'll also have to refill your sprinklers and remember to wash it every now and then.. Maintenance is home based, not on a station.

There's a whole lot of benefits to it as well, but you didn't ask for those, and I think you should just go test drive one to see for yourself.

[-] AA5B@lemmy.world 4 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago)

Tesla require a better grounding than the building code in most countries

Is this a European thing too? I’ve never heard of this limitation in the US, and I certainly didn’t have to get anything changed. I’m curious about the details

[-] bstix@feddit.dk 3 points 5 hours ago

Yes it's country specific, but more about old houses.

In my case the building code says the ground should have an impedance of maximum 1666 ohm. My installation was already grounded and had about 400 ohm.

The charger guidelines says 200 ohm, however the car refuses to charge on anything over 100 ohm. I had an electrician add a new ground spear, bringing the impedance down below 1 ohm.

The building code in USA already recommends 25 ohm, so it shouldn't be an issue if the installation is up to date.

[-] HeavyRaptor@lemmy.zip 13 points 23 hours ago

If you have a place to charge it and potentially another car to swap/borrow for road trips it is pretty much the best vehicle for city driving/daily commute.

  1. Charging at home is much cheaper and healthier for the battery. If you can't charge at home I wouldn't get an EV.
  2. Ask yourself how often you do road trips. Depending on where you live a 6-7 hour drive can easily turn into 12+ hours because of waiting around for charging if the chargers are not close enough to each other to utilise charging at the lowest battery % possible. Even the tesla supercharger network can be quite sparce outside of urban/wealthy areas.
  3. Price - EVs are still quite expensive compared to ice in general, and depreciation can be killer. A used tesla model 3 is basically half the price now compared to what it was a few years ago when new. Check what kind of tax breaks or other benefits you can get in your region or consider buying used.
[-] bitchkat@lemmy.world 3 points 20 hours ago

My EV has been from Minneapolis to Key West, Seattle, Toronto and plenty of shorter road trips. I don't stray far off the beaten path but I haven't had issues charging.

[-] caboose2006@lemmy.ca 8 points 21 hours ago

It all depends on your use case. For me with a 20 mile round trip daily commute and a 200 mile drive every other week where the car is then parked for 36-48 hours at a hotel with a level 2 charger before returning home an ev is great. If you can charge at home I think it's a no brainer if you're looking to buy new or slightly used. If you're constantly driving hundreds of miles in a day then no probably not. Downside are longer road trips, as some other people said in places where charging is sparce you're looking at 50-100% more time for distance traveled. But if you don't mind being more leisurely and chilling out at a restaurant or what have you then it's not a big deal. And initial price. They are still expensive.

[-] TBi@lemmy.world 13 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago)

I only regretted that I bought a BMW because it eventually broke down and I had to pay an exorbitant BMw tax to fix it. So high it wasn’t worth it. To be clear the fix itself wouldn’t have been too much if BMW didn’t block third parties from doing it.

Loved having electric though. Next car will definitely be electric. Full tank of ‘gas’ leaving the house everyday. Never having to go to petrol stations…

[-] batmaniam@lemmy.world 3 points 22 hours ago

Sadly that's not going to be BMW specific for much longer, they're all taking a page out of that book. 2022 Hyundai, long story on how I managed to kill a single spark plug at 30k miles, but this time last year the part wasn't listed anywhere. It was FORTY DOLLARS for a SINGLE plug from Hyundai. I'm sure there were alternates that would work but I wasn't going to risk it over 40 bucks at that low mileage.

[-] buzz86us@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago

I have driven an old Nissan leaf for 5 years as a commuter, and I love it I don't pay for gas or maintenance the electrons are free, and the insurance is cheap. I'm waiting on some more robust options so I can have an EV as my main car.

[-] ShadowZone@lemmy.world 5 points 22 hours ago

No regrets. Polestar 2 MY22 long range AWD. Ride is a lot harsher than in the BMW i4 for instance (family member has one). But overall I wouldn't want to switch.

[-] beanlink@lemmy.world 4 points 22 hours ago

Yes but it all depends on your use case. If you travel a lot for work that involves some mountain passes or states with low EV adoption due to politics you are gonna have a rough time or be very limited in your options.

If your use case is less than 200 miles a day and charging infrastructure is built up in your area then you are all set.

[-] Acters@lemmy.world 2 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago)

Depends on vehicle and load requirements too, if your load it just only you and sometimes passengers then getting a car that can do 10% fast charging for only 15 minutes and still go pretty far is great. On the other hand the Silverado EV is best range EV truck available as of 2024.

The 10 percent challenge from our of spec is best one I found for road tripping scenarios. https://outofspecstudios.com/10-challenge (mobile browser not recommended ) their other graphs are really nice too.

Unfortunately, the only cars that do get proper range from the 10 percent challenge is just too expensive, such as the Porsche taycan(especially 2025 version being insanely fast charging with efficiency) and Lucid sedans.

[-] Clanket@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Short answer no. I now have two in my house. VW ID4 & ID3. So nice to drive, cheap to run and the maintenance costs are basically 0.

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[-] dream_weasel@sh.itjust.works 72 points 1 day ago

I own 2 Teslas and an electric lawnmower since 2018 and I live in the Arctic Chicago area. No regrets besides Elon turning out to be a shitlord.

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[-] Candera@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago

Model 3 owner (before the crazy) and I love it still. auto pilot is amazing, I hate elon but honestly the super chargers are so much better than the other plug. I may consider something besides a tesla if they get an auto pilot thing and adopt the plug, but unfortunately for the time being i’m stuck giving money to the jumping dip$h1t.

[-] SoleInvictus@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 1 day ago

We bought a used one and just use a little Android Auto server we built for online services. It's a little extra work but works great, giving me more control and options. No money to Musk that way. He does get our driving data, but we can pull the SIM card out of the car if we want to stop that.

[-] prenatal_confusion@feddit.org 3 points 1 day ago

Nice project, thanks for the pointer

[-] HaiZhung@feddit.org 6 points 1 day ago

Have owned one for 2 years. I have made precisely one trip where I was mildly inconvenienced by having to charge one times too many. (That trip was >700km long).

All of the other times it has been amazing. Don’t overthink it too much, really. Just look at all the electric car owners out there - there’s enough of them and as far as I know no one is complaining.

Go for it.

[-] AlecSadler@sh.itjust.works 142 points 1 day ago

Yeah, I bought a Tesla and now regret it because Elon is a dipshit.

That said, I've gone over 38,000 miles for less than $900 in electricity. I haven't had to deal with oil changes or any other maintenance items other than tire rotations and tire replacement (the latter was of my own accord they actually said I didn't need to yet, at the time).

I recently did a nearly 4hr trip with no need to charge on the way, and at my destination basically filled back up in something like 25 minutes while checking in to my hotel. So, no range anxiety for me.

The ride is nice, the features are helpful to me, and I have had no other issues with the vehicle.

So if it weren't for Elon I'd love it. I still like it, but I just hate being seen in it now. It's paid off so the financial cost of getting some other EV doesn't make a ton of sense right now, so I guess I'll just drive it until it dies...which at this rate might be a long-ass time.

[-] helpImTrappedOnline@lemmy.world 73 points 1 day ago

I read somewhere that people have bumpersticks and stuff that say things like "I got the car before he went crazy" or "if I knew him then, I wouldn't have bought it"

[-] AlecSadler@sh.itjust.works 58 points 1 day ago

I'm not a huge fan of bumper stickers, but I might make an exception for this 🤔

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[-] wizzor@sopuli.xyz 10 points 1 day ago

EV driver working in automotive industry here. Based in N Europe, so take my words with a pinch of salt for other geos.

If you can charge at home, don't regularly drive very long distances and are OK with a smaller boot space EVs are a complete no-brainer.

If not all of these are true, the convenience depends a lot on where you live. In Northern Europe, UK and northern parts of Central Europe public charging networks are pretty good although Norway is starting to see queuing to be a thing.

In the US the only good charging network is Tesla's, which means only NACS cars can charge there - EU regulator has done a good job here standardising to CCS2.

Living with an EV does require some changes in behavior. You need to think about tomorrow's needs today to have the right SOC for the next long trip or choose your shopping and dining options to facilitate charging. For me, this is perfectly OK and the pleasure of driving an EV more than compensates for the mild inconvenience. That said, the amount of inconvenience is dependent on the first three factors and the country you live in.

When choosing your car, remember that you can't normally use the top and bottom 20% of your battery (depending a bit on the chemistry), which is reflected in day-to-day range.

Feel free to ask anything related to EVs, batteries, chargers or charging networks.

[-] Kadaj21@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago

I went from an 08' VW Rabbit to a '21 VW id.4 a few months ago. Got the $4k tax rebate passed onto the dealer to bring my price down to $19k [~$21k after taxes/fees], it's the AWD Pro S, and doesn't have the Gradient Package [some silvery exterior bits and slightly larger wheels]. I love the car, my family loves the car. The only nitpick I reaaaaaally have and that most people have for the VW evs is the damn driver side window switches lol. You get 2 and have to tap a touch sensitive bit to switch it to the back. Makes no sense. The steering wheel touch inputs for cruise control and media are another controversial choice, but I've gotten used to it.

As far as an EV in general goes. Like most have said, check out the charging network you have where you are and where you plan to be. I've only done one road trip in my id.4 [from buying it in Chicagoland and bringing it home] and while the range was "OK" [about 150 highway miles per charge], since I was along a string of L3s along the turnpike, I wasn't worried about making it to a charger. My immediate area had a couple of L3s, but now there's probably about double/triple around me now that's opened in the few months I've had my car.

That being said, my circumstance have the car as mostly a commuter, so I tend to last on a charge all week, and then L1 charge it Sun-Tues morning to start all over. Any around town stuff during charging time doesn't really make a dent since it's all within a few miles of my home. I also am able to charge at work for free, though sometimes spots get filled. Initially I was thinking about getting a L2 EVSE, but between home and work, I don't really feel the need for one. I'd also need one with a good 50' cord since I park in front of my house, otherwise wife and I would have to re-arrange the cars whenever I wanted to charge.

That being said, if stuff happens and we do go up to my sisters about 40 miles away or something happens to where I do need to charge at a L3, the price per "tank" has been about $15 and taken 20-ish minutes. Most of the time I'm watching a few youtube videos, or going in for a restroom break and by the time i get back the car's about ready.

My car, and I think most EVs nowadays will have a setting limiting the charge to 80% to help with keeping the battery healthy. If I'm not using air conditioning at 80% my estimated range is about 190-200 miles, if it's hot and I'm using AC, it'll go down to 185ish. First upcoming winter, so I'll get to see how much my car is impacted. I don't usually worry about range. I did at first because I had a couple of close calls about charging stations not being available while doing some longish trips back and forth, but I think in general my immediate and surrounding areas that I might frequent have gotten more stations recently.

OH. Insurance for me wasn't much more than what I was already paying, but registration in my state tacks on another $200 dollars a year, presumably since having an EV you're not paying into the gas tax. Some states don't have EV fees, some do. So might want to check that. My co-worker just found out about that and wasn't happy lol.

[-] Rikj000@discuss.tchncs.de 106 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I like the electric part.

What I don't like is that it's a steaming heap of spy-ware on wheels with no opt-out ability.

Which may lead to more expensive insurance depending on your driving style, or could be abused for even more nefarious reasons.

[-] noahm@lemmy.world 68 points 1 day ago

That's not limited to EVs, though. Most modern cars have the same antifeatures.

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Privacy and security concerns, most of them are like big tech on wheels. See Telsa and others spying on users during intimate moments. Also most have major security vulnerabilities.

[-] GreyEyedGhost@lemmy.ca 23 points 1 day ago

This is the case with all newer cars. If you're avoiding EVs for privacy then the same reason applies to any car with OnStar, OTA updates, apps for your phone (remote start, locate, etc.) Or pretty much any car made in the last 10 years or more.

I definitely appreciate wanting to protect your privacy and will readily acknowledge that any EV will make that a problem. But almost every car made since the Tesla Roadster has the same problems. Now, if we could get our respective governments to pass laws stopping this BS, that would be really nice.

[-] Atelopus-zeteki@fedia.io 70 points 1 day ago

Downsides: Have to go to a gas station to find a squeegee to clean the windows.

Upsides: You have no other reason to go to a gas station.

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[-] superkret@feddit.org 12 points 1 day ago

Not yet, but are there any electric cars that aren't spyware with touchscreens on wheels?

[-] Oneser@lemm.ee 8 points 1 day ago

I would argue all connected cars have become that. If you're buying anything newer than 2015, in all likelihood it's a spyware filled go-kart.

[-] PetteriPano@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

I'm driving a 2007 which I guess I'll move on from in a couple of years. I loathe the day when my only options are cars that get OTA updates.

Everything smart has shown their true colours about altering the deal. My TV didn't use to have ads on the home screen. Now it's 80% of it.

[-] rusticus@lemm.ee 11 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

lol. As opposed to the 6 inch rectangle in your pocket

[-] ironhydroxide@sh.itjust.works 76 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Make sure that the car matches your expectations.

Don't trust their range claims, most of the time they are exaggerated and only able to get that range on a perfect day doing constant 45mph without hills.

Do you have a reliable place to charge it? If you don't have a personal parking place, and cannot install a charger at said place, trusting you have the range you need gets difficult, and expensive. As you have to rely on public chargers that are not very reliable, and worse for battery longevity (level 3 chargers)

Speaking of range. What range do you actually NEED? My opinion is the minimum range should be double the normal daily commute, as most level 2 chargers can add ~18 miles/he charging (overnight charge means 144 miles charge). Double your commute gives you a buffer for the heater, or the grocery run after work. For most people this is only 80 miles.... which almost every electric only car can do without issues.

Is the cost worth the vehicle? Buying new is expensive, buying used can be risky. Do your research thoroughly and you'll be able to decide what fits what you NEED (and that answer may easily be a used ICE vehicle instead)

I've had a full electric vehicle for 5+ years now as my daily. But I have always had a personal parking place, with a level 2 charger. I consider electric only to be a commuter car at best. It's not going to be able to do a road trip. And depending on the car and the commute may even not be able to do a grocery run after work some days. If you have another car that is ICE that you can keep for those times, cool. Or if you are ok with planning, and rent a car when you want to do a road trip, great.

Personally I suggest a plug in hybrid for anyone who can only have one car, and is considering going electric. Prius prime, Chevy volt, Chrysler Pacifica are the ones that have enough range for a short commute, the rest are trying but just haven't gotten there yet.

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[-] jg1i@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago

Yes, I ended up selling and buying a hybrid. Super happy with the hybrid.

  • Basically instant "recharge" speed.

  • Longer range.

  • More vehicle options.

  • Don't have to worry about heat or cold draining my fuel.

  • Can leave the car stationary for long periods of time without the fuel draining.

  • More fueling stations.

  • More reliable fueling stations (chargers may be broken.)

  • Less software bullshit. (Tesla)

  • Less possibly breaking updates. (Tesla) No joke. My car's software literally crashed on the freeway once and I was essentially driving blind because all the screens went blank.

I drive a lot and for long distances. Switching to hybrid made trips shorter by an hour.

And I still got to keep fancy drive assist features. It's like 80% of autopilot, if not more.

Oh! And big one! Even though an electric car may say something like 500km range! That's NOT the usable range! You're not going to be driving the car to 0km. You're not even supposed to charge to 100% most of the time! So most of the time you'll charge to 80%, that's 400km in the battery. But, you probably wanna play it safe, so you'll want to recharge with 50km to 100km left in the battery. Leaving you with about 300km of usable range.

Then the heat, cold, and time will slowly drain your 300km....

Meanwhile, my hybrid has about 700km of usable range, regardless of time and weather.

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