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As bitter adversaries, the Trump administration and Maduro regime didn’t agree on, well, anything. Except for the fact that the US government wanted Maduro gone.

After that UN meeting, the Trump administration amped up its efforts around the world to isolate and depose the Venezuelan leader, including by levying additional punishing sanctions against his regime. Much of that diplomatic maneuvering played out in public. But the administration also put into motion another, very much secret prong to the US’s regime-change campaign: a covert CIA-run initiative to help overthrow the Venezuelan strongman.

That campaign would pull off at least one disruptive digital sabotage operation against the Maduro regime in 2019. But the CIA-led initiative—alongside the Trump administration’s wider efforts to get rid of Maduro—would fall well short of its ultimate goal. The story of that secret anti-Maduro effort also lays bare the tensions between an administration with hardliners laser-focused on deposing the Venezuelan autocrat and a CIA deeply reluctant, yet nevertheless obligated, to follow White House orders. It shows the limitations of covert, CIA-assisted regime change schemes, particularly when they are not aligned with larger US foreign policy objectives. And it provides new insights into how a second Trump administration—or a Harris presidency—might still try to dislodge the Venezuelan strongman, whose latest sham reelection in July 2024 has again thrust his country into chaos.

The details of that covert CIA-assisted campaign, told exclusively to WIRED by eight Trump administration and former agency officials with knowledge of the anti-Maduro operation, are reported here for the first time.

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[-] alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml 16 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Weird to attribute this to Trump instead of America, regime change in Latin America has always been bipartisan.

I didn't see any democrats opposing the sanctions, withholding of Venezuelan gold reserves, or funding of insurgents. I haven't seen Biden reverse any of Trump's policies.

Edit: Why is this getting downvoted? Are there people who think imperialism in Latin American is a partisan issue?

[-] jlh@lemmy.jlh.name 22 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

The nuance is that American policy since the end of the cold war has been to use soft power to promote democracy. Offer pro-democracy propaganda to oppressed people, and sanction human rights violators. There is no evidence of the US funding insurgents in South America, Ukraine, Russia, or the PRC post-Cold War.

In contrast, Trump ordered the CIA to return to cold-war era coups and just straight-up invade Venezuela.

The first one is admirable and how foreign policy should be conducted, the second one is dangerous and is how America is portrayed in Russian propaganda.

[-] BilboBargains@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago
[-] wildbus8979@sh.itjust.works -3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

You've got to be kidding. Two Iraq wars and over a million dead is admirable soft powers to you?

[-] jlh@lemmy.jlh.name 8 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

The imperialists in the bush administrations were the exceptions. There was a clear difference in American foreign policy between Bush Jr. and Obama.

It is important to recognize that countries do not have a foreign policy, presidents do. We can only describe trends that the presidents tend to follow. Iraq was not some shadowy CIA cabal, it was George W. Bush and Dick Cheney who had power at the time. If you want to characterize US foreign policy by public polling for support in the war, it is very clear that public support for the Iraq war has evaporated since 2003, which is why the US didn't intervene in Syria and let Russia and the Kurds duke it out. Fatigue from the Iraq War has also been used by Trump and his supporters to limit military support to Ukraine, NATO, and Taiwan.

Also, the Gulf War is not a good comparison. The Gulf war was a UN-directed intervention in response to the invasion of Kuwait. It was not a invasion coup like 2003.

Relevant video essays regarding American foreign policy post Cold War and the Russian propaganda depicting the US as "coup happy imperialists":

https://youtu.be/FVmmASrAL-Q?t=1916

https://youtu.be/7OFyn_KSy80

[-] wildbus8979@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 month ago

The US didn't intervene in Syria?

And twelve years of administration out of 35 don't count because reasons? FFS

Jesus fuck you people are brainwashed.

[-] jlh@lemmy.jlh.name -1 points 1 month ago

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/US_intervention_in_the_Syrian_civil_war

Obama did not do anything until the airstrikes against daesh, and even then it was very controversial for Obama in the US News. Less than 10000 us special forces have been in Syria, and Assad is still the dictator of Syria. Compare to the wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam, etc. where the US was in direct conflict with another state.

12 years of administrations don't count because they're not Biden, the current president. What the US does right now has nothing to do what it did in 2003. The US foreign policy cannot be 80 years of regime change in South America, because the current US regime didn't exist before 2021.

Its not brainwashing to defend peaceful democratic opposition to dictators. Who are you going to complain to about imperialism if the US and EU give up on democracy and everybody lives as serfs under the thumb of some warlord?

[-] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 month ago

Absolutely this is a deep state US empire evil, where Blinken is no better than Bolton on giving the propaganda in support of evil. There has been zero lifting of sanctions or rapprochement to Venezuela under Biden. Talks meant to lower oil prices were derailed by CIA/deep state/GOP who want high oil prices.

Temporarily denying Venezuelan soldiers from receiving their paychecks was part of the administration’s goal to “exacerbate, or just further reveal, the ineptitudes of the regime,”

Article is full of brazen interference operations "in the name of democracy".

US/Blinken/Biden was also behind a laughable coup attempt in this year's elections. US/Opposition bribed narco-gangs ahead of election to protest their loss. An operation in Georgia this week is similar interference.

[-] jlh@lemmy.jlh.name 1 points 1 month ago

What the fuck is a deep state? What is this mysterious "evil" you say Blinken is supporting?

[-] humanspiral@lemmy.ca -2 points 1 month ago

CIA, and to an extent State/Defense departments have an inertia of Zionist/neocon/(nazi = anti-communist) appointments, and career officials that must report to them. AIPAC is not only the swing funder of politicians, it determines who gets appointed and congressional approval for the appointments.

[-] jlh@lemmy.jlh.name 1 points 1 month ago

Saying AIPAC is the deep state isn't a good look. Campaign finance is a problem, but AIPAC is tiny compared to some of the Super PACs out there.

I don't think state dept/DoD employees are that political. I could understand the CIA having more influence there, but this article just said that CIA employees blocked Trump from couping Venezuela.

Both the US and EU have sanctioned Venezuela after they arrested opposition leaders on political charges and disqualified Machado from running in this year's election. This was signed by Bradley T. Smith, who I believe was appointed by Janet Yellen last year. Doesn't sound like a deep state to me. Do dictator shit, get dictator sanctions.

[-] humanspiral@lemmy.ca -1 points 1 month ago

AIPAC is tiny compared to some of the Super PACs out there.

They all need to be AIPAC allies if they want influence. Israel usually gets little funding compared to the theft provided to other lobbyists. Oil industry spoke out very strongly against university protests against genocide, for example. Vowing to never hire any graduates from those schools. AIPAC funded record primary spending against democrats who "supported a ceasefire". A politician can love their other lobbyists/interest groups as long as they love Israel too.

Cabinet appointments are subject to AIPAC veto. Then have influence on hires. Israel replaced Netanyahu as PM for about a week. New guy said he didn't understand need to fund/support Ukraine... Gone.

US and EU have sanctioned Venezuela

EU and South American states are vassal colonies, subject to US dictates on minor things. backing up US propaganda never validates it.

[-] fpslem@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago
[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

What? I thought Trump was the peace candidate! No wars under Trump (unless you count Afghanistan), am I right?

[-] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

How fucked is it that I'm too exhausted to even care about this? I am going to die of alcohol poisoning the day trump dies

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