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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/22088055

cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/21529010

Pro-Palestinian voters are facing a moral dilemma.

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[-] multitotal@lemmygrad.ml 41 points 1 month ago

Trump will be gone after 4 years, but Democrats won't. Democrats need to learn they can't just do whatever they want as long as every four years they paint the other side as "a danger to democracy" and say this time the vote is "existential". It's such total horseshit and frankly I am a bit surprised so many liberals have fallen for it.

[-] Assian_Candor@hexbear.net 8 points 1 month ago

Vance is next, this shit will never stop.

[-] multitotal@lemmygrad.ml 20 points 1 month ago

lol. Vance has the charisma of a wet rag. He's the Buttigieg of the republican party.

[-] Assian_Candor@hexbear.net 14 points 1 month ago

It doesn't mean he won't be running in 4 years and the libs won't once again say he is a danger to democracy and this is the most important election of our lives

[-] multitotal@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 1 month ago
[-] ComradeRoach@lemmygrad.ml 17 points 1 month ago

Its the fact that every presidential election is the most important one ever. The opponent is a "threat to democracy," as if Democrats care about democracy. They just want to stay in power to uphold the status quo.

[-] PanArab@lemmygrad.ml 32 points 1 month ago

It is not even about punishing Democrats. A vote for Democrats is a vote for genocide. If Democrats losing voters alters their behavior then that’s a bonus but it is clear they don’t care about losing voters.

[-] DankZedong@lemmygrad.ml 19 points 1 month ago

This is a honest question: how much are Muslims targeted in the US? They are the scapegoat of our European far right but AFAIK they are not the sole target of the Republicans. And would that change this debate somewhat?

[-] Assian_Candor@hexbear.net 14 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

They sort of fall into the catch-all bucket of "immigrants" which tends to have a different face depending on where you are, but is almost universally brown. For a while "ISIS is sending fighters across the border" was a right wing talking point. Even when you hear trump talking about it, the Muslim ban or whatever, it's always in this context.

In general "freedom of religion" is one of those pieces of the American civil religion that is pretty well cemented, in that so long as you're american/assimilated your faith doesn't really matter. Muslims abroad are an entirely different issue for this reason.

Islamophobia was a huge problem particularly after 9/11 but sinophobia seems to be the bigotry flavor of choice at the moment. All that said, nobody who isn't white in the US really gets a fair shake.

[-] RedColossus@lemmygrad.ml 14 points 1 month ago

What evidence do we have that Trump would be worse?

You’d figure that the Democrats right before an election would at least LIE about stopping Israel. But they couldn’t even do that. How do we not know that the moment Kamala is in power, she tells Bibi that he can stop “holding back” and go full holocaust mode?

While it’s true that I would otherwise prefer Kamala over Trump, on this issue there is zero reason to believe she would be even 1% or 0.00001% better than Trump.

[-] Lemmykoopa@lemmygrad.ml 8 points 1 month ago

They both said they'd end the war in Gaza today lol. Ofc they won't but it's nice to know they're desperate

[-] GlueBear@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 1 month ago

Did they really?

[-] ComradeSalad@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 1 month ago

He has explicitly stated that Israel should fully militarily annex the West Bank and urged Netenyahu to draw up plans as he wished to provide additional military aid if they did so. So at the very least it can get as bad as doing Gaza 2.

[-] MarxMadness@lemmygrad.ml 11 points 1 month ago

I don't see why that wouldn't happen under Harris, too. "We support Israel unconditionally, to the point of circumventing Congress to send them more money" indicates there is nothing Harris will meaningfully oppose. That and doing nothing to oppose the genocide right now.

[-] ComradeSalad@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Why do I bother saying anything. Nowhere did I say Harris wouldn’t do that either.

But he has explicitly stated that that was one of his goals. Harris sending more weapons to Israel isn’t her asking Netenyahu to draw up invasion plans of the West Bank.

[-] MarxMadness@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 1 month ago

Nowhere did I say Harris wouldn’t do that either.

Didn't mean to imply you had.

[-] ComradeSalad@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Apparently at least two people did. I say anything; instant downvotes.

Don’t know why I bother anymore.

[-] DamarcusArt@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 1 month ago

I always assume that at least one downvote comes from lost and angry libs, so I wouldn't worry about it.

[-] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 1 month ago

That's the whole difference between the marketing of the two arms of the ruling party. Republican arm markets to people who are honest about wanting to brag about doing a genocide, while the Democrat arm markets to people who want the genocide to be done with a certain level of decorum.

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