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Russian Soldiers Say They Are Viewed With Disgust in Moscow. (www.kyivpost.com)

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According to two Russian soldiers interviewed by a pro-invasion blogger, if you wear a Russian military uniform on the metro in Moscow people distance themselves and give you dirty looks.

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[-] Buelldozer@lemmy.today 177 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Could be that civilians don't want to be near them because they are scared. Russian soldiers returning from Ukraine are committing all sorts of violent crimes.

I mean would YOU want to be within 20' feet of someone who has a high likelihood of being drunk, suffering from PTSD, and a member of an especially violent and brutal military force?

[-] Etterra@lemmy.world 46 points 10 months ago

Don't forget that they might be rapists and murderers.

[-] themajesticdodo@lemmy.world 30 points 10 months ago

Plus they rape. A lot.

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[-] be_excellent_to_each_other@kbin.social 157 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

“You go on the metro, and people stare at you because you wear a uniform. Again, I didn't go voluntarily, I received a summons and came to the military enlistment office.

At this point I had some sympathy.

I didn't run away or hide like you. I acted like a law-abiding citizen. But when I come on holiday, they point fingers at me,” the soldier said.

And then he lost my sympathy.

It's like certain problems we have in the US, just with different players.

When "law abiding" is placed before basic ethics, problems like these arise. It's also, sometimes (maybe not here) a smokescreen people use to justify their unethical behavior.

[-] Eheran@lemmy.world 68 points 10 months ago

People like to use things like "I didn't make the rules" to justify bullshit - while actively enforcing them.

[-] ickplant@lemmy.world 58 points 10 months ago

“I was just obeying orders” - sounds familiar.

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[-] Deestan@lemmy.world 48 points 10 months ago

Yeah, draft dodging means maybe losing your freedom and the ability to provide for your children, which is a shit situation to be put in.

But the choice is between poverty and fucking murder. Your choice sucks, but you choose to be a monster. I spare my sympathy for those who choose to be not-murderers.

[-] Rolder@reddthat.com 22 points 10 months ago

But at the same time, they are absolutely being fed propaganda and don’t have an accurate view of what is going on in Ukraine.

[-] Deestan@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago

That is a valid point. I personally can't accept it changing the situation, but I won't hold it against anyone that do.

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[-] ArmokGoB@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 10 months ago

Draft dodging is probably worse in Russia.

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[-] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 25 points 10 months ago

I mean, I can have sympathy for any soldier that's being forced to be a soldier. But the reality is, that sympathy dries up pretty quickly when it comes out that while being a soldier they're rapists and war criminals. At certain point 'just following orders' is no longer a valid excuse... and you reach that point long before raping civilian women or PoWs. or... you know... you're own troops while in a combat situation....

[-] schroedingershat@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago

If a fascist hands you a gun and tells you to murder a bunch of people so that he can get wealthier and more powerful, you shoot him and ask those people for asylum. Anything else makes you a fascist too.

[-] SCB@lemmy.world 14 points 10 months ago

Counterpoint: fuck going to a Russian prison.

[-] uis@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago

I think there is 1:1 model of Russian prison cell somewhere in Netherlands. At least the type of cell where Navalny is held.

On the other there are rumors about people who commited crimes only to be found guilty and not being drafted as result, but they are rumors.

[-] echodot@feddit.uk 11 points 10 months ago

It's also not a defence. They don't have to follow orders.

They can just turn up get recruited and then surrender to Ukraine at the earliest safe opportunity if they want to. Plenty others have.

It is not patriotic to fight a unjust war, it is not patriotic to just do what you're told without thinking.

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[-] ladicius@lemmy.world 133 points 10 months ago

Killing and raping is frowned upon? Really?

[-] Diplomjodler@feddit.de 36 points 10 months ago

Nah, more like, look at that idiot who was too dumb to dodge the draft.

[-] IWantToFuckSpez@kbin.social 19 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I bet some people give dirty looks because they believe soldiers should die in the trenches protecting mother Russia and not ride the metro in Moscow with privileged Moscovites

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[-] reverendsteveii@lemm.ee 66 points 10 months ago

The article below this is titled "Russian Soldier Proudly Admits to Killing POWs"

You know, entirely unrelated....

[-] xc2215x@lemmy.world 60 points 10 months ago

Russian people are changing their minds it seems.

[-] quantum_mechanic@sh.itjust.works 37 points 10 months ago

Doesn't matter, they are powerless.

[-] severien@lemmy.world 16 points 10 months ago

On average, you need just 3.5% of the population to actively oppose the regime to achieve a successful revolution. People can change things, but it looks like a vast majority of Russians are just fine with killing Ukrainians. More expensive iPhones are a bigger issue.

[-] lapingvino@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago

and when you reach 10%, you basically toggle the general opinion massively.

[-] ruckblack@sh.itjust.works 5 points 10 months ago

I don't think demonizing the Russian populace is really achieving anything, people aren't their government. The US has done some abhorrent things, and I'm not an evil person, nor am I just fine with killing anyone.

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[-] Bluescluestoothpaste@sh.itjust.works 5 points 10 months ago

On average sure, but putin probably has more than 3.5% subverting democracy for him, it's not so simple for the people.

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[-] quadropiss@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago

Nope they aren't. I can assure you

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[-] JoMiran@lemmy.ml 53 points 10 months ago

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[-] uis@lemmy.world 39 points 10 months ago

Same applies to police for last ten years

[-] Chriskmee@lemm.ee 28 points 10 months ago

Police choose to be police, aren't many of the Russian soldiers drafted or forced to serve at this point?

[-] uis@lemmy.world 14 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

You are correct, many of them conscripted, and even those who was on contract before after mobilization started their contracts became perpetual.

And police not only choose to be police, but also choose to beat students.

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[-] quadropiss@lemmy.world 10 points 10 months ago

Nah, more than 10 for sure. There's anti police slurs coming from as early as the 80-90s, like "Musora" which is a plural form of "trash"

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[-] Astroturfed@lemmy.world 37 points 10 months ago

There's a reason they've been trying to avoid drafting soldiers from Moscow/major metro areas. They're intentionally pulling more people from the ethnic minority rural regions. Problem is, they're running out of soldiers...

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[-] Duke_Nukem_1990@feddit.de 30 points 10 months ago

Not just in Moscow, Vatnik.

[-] _xDEADBEEF@lemm.ee 16 points 10 months ago

Can't imagine why...

[-] keeb420@kbin.social 13 points 10 months ago

oh no russian solders get spat upon in their home land. anyway...

[-] cloud@lazysoci.al 12 points 10 months ago

The day we all start to see military with disgust it's the day wars will stop

[-] Fades@lemmy.world 20 points 10 months ago

Even the Ukraine defenders?

[-] scarabic@lemmy.world 12 points 10 months ago

If it really is “we all” who come to this realization, there won’t be anything to defend Ukraine against.

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[-] Ubermeisters@lemmy.zip 16 points 10 months ago

War won't ever stop. It's part of the human condition. Some persons and groups of people will always feel entitled to what others have on the basis of relative standing as viewed from thier viewpoint.

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[-] Ataraxia@lemmy.world 11 points 10 months ago

Didn't stop Vietnam and those vets still get treated like shit

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[-] vlad76 6 points 10 months ago

Vietnam comes to mind

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