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He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them. But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion... Nor is it enough that he should hear the opinions of adversaries from his own teachers, presented as they state them, and accompanied by what they offer as refutations. He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them...he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

  • John Stuart Mill
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[-] cheese_greater@lemmy.world 4 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Reason magazine and ReasonTV. I can't defend or totally justify it and I often wonder whether they are more propaganda than journalism or news but they have some very plausible positions on many controversial topics that I surprisingly find myself actually sympathetic to or at least I can hold their ideas in my mind at the same time as my own that I organically developed from before I knew about them so I dunno

[-] Lauchs@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago

Oh interesting, I've never really taken libertarian positions seriously but that might be worth a look.

[-] cheese_greater@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago

Be careful, it can be a little intoxicating lmfao

[-] pjwestin@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago

I follow a lot of podcasts that are either center-left sources or Democratic party cheerleaders: NPR and the NPR Politics Podcast, Ezra Klein (God he's an insufferable twat), the Daily, Pod Save America...some of these I listen to because I want to know what the, "mainstream American left," believes, some of them just have good information; NPR's Up First is a great 15 minute morning news wrap, and the Daily does good in depth reporting (even better when Michael Barbaro is on vacation).

I don't listen to right-wing pundits like Ben Shapiro or Matt Walsh very often. They're mostly culture war crap, and there's usually very little information to be gained from them. I do regularly read conservative reporting though, mostly WSJ and the Economist.

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[-] ArbitraryValue@sh.itjust.works 4 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

What if what I consider to be the most plausible and persuasive expression of an idea is not the one that most believers in that idea would express or even be aware of? For example, if I read the work of an economist who presents strong evidence that Trump's tariffs would benefit the American economy, have I actually engaged with the beliefs of most Trump supporters or Trump himself?

[-] PriorityMotif@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago

Depends on what your definition of the economy is. Prices for goods and services are going to increase across the board. Wages are not going to increase or at least not as quickly due to hysteresis. The majority of Republican large donors are small to medium business owners. People like the Uihleins who own U-line and other companies that you've never heard of that produce things in the U.S. and benefit from Tariffs.

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[-] jordanlund@lemmy.world 4 points 3 days ago

I don't generally follow news I disagree with because it stresses me out pointing out how everything they think is wrong... BUT... I do poke my nose in on "beforeitsnews.com" every now and then to see what the batshit crazy fringe is up to.

[-] Lauchs@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago

because it stresses me out pointing out how everything they think is wrong...

Honestly, that sounds fairly healthy. I have a weird obsession with being well informed and being able to articulate arguments from all sides (which has occasionally made me very unpopular both in real life and online) and while it's a fine intellectual exercise, it's probably not the most conducive to feeling great.

[-] can@sh.itjust.works 4 points 3 days ago

Not an ad, but this is why I like Ground News. It aggregates that stuff so I don't need to be continually checking a specific publication.

[-] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

I really need to check them out, I like their mission and I hope their implementation is good and unbiased (as in applying the same standard to all sources, not as in granting the same legitimacy to all sources).

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[-] AbouBenAdhem@lemmy.world 4 points 3 days ago

Some local/regional news sites that are owned by MediaNews Group, because they’re often the only source for breaking events.

(UK) I read the Daily Mail and the Guardian and have issues with both of them. Daily Mail because of language used around immigrants and benefit recipients. The Guardian I find panders to its audience presenting news from Palestinian a certain way. But I want to read both these points of view as there's always elements of truth in what's being said that opposite news sources leave out for their own reasons.

[-] Lauchs@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago

Oh interesting. I always thought the Daily Mail was more of a tabloid with like topless girls on page three or whatever. Am I confusing it with something else? Or is it both?

And fully agree with you on the Guardian.

It is a tabloid. And although I don't agree with some of their stances, I find the criticism it'll get from UK sections of Lemmy or Reddit are quite knee jerk and over the top. I don't think any of the main UK tabloids do page 3 topless anymore. The sports ones maybe?

Typically they report stories with a simplified language style, and tend to sensationalise some language. Though this seems to be far from as bad as how it's sometimes made out. Not to set the bar too low or anything, but here are a few articles grabbed at random from their frontpage:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14141587/Catherine-paralysed-teenager-driver-whod-just-filmed-phone-steering-knees-smashed-car-heartbreaking-interview-says-just-want-able-hug-son-again.html

Personal story of women paralysed by hit by a teen driver who was texting / videoing / driving dangerously. The article focuses on her family and her suffering. The conviction of the perpetrator is handled quite matter of factly. Nothing is generalised, young drivers arent made out to be villains in any way.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14141941/gregg-wallace-accused-groping-women-masterchef-winner-reported.html?ico=article_preview_xp_mobile

Piece on continued allegations against Gregg Wallace. All allegations are attributed to specific unnamed sources. All are taken credibly. Defence of Wallace / brushing things away appears entirely absent. There's one quote of a friend saying it's not like him, everything else in the article explains how he made lots of people uncomfortable / assaulted / or was a creep. It quotes specifically what was said / done with respect to racism allegations without taking any particular delight in including that information.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14110103/colorado-springs-teen-ashley-scott-dies-bullied-school.html?ico=article_preview_xp_mobile

American 14 year old girl shoots self because of cyber bullying, culprits not caught. Despite the girl being a cheerleader, gymnast and surfer amongst other things the article is tasteful, celebrates her accomplishments and there are no what you might call 'creepy' shots of her doing these activities.

That's just a few. It's all just..I don't know.. pretty uninteresting to me. But I read it to see what slice of the world that their readers are getting. I think when certain groups trounce the DM as worthless trash (which it may well be in some cases) that doesn't ring at all true with people reading the likes of the above and it only serves to deepen the divides present in this country.

Where I live the commercial TV evening news shows are completely Murdoc level conservative trash. I still watch them I guess.

[-] Platypus@lemmings.world 1 points 2 days ago

I usually agree with ign. For whatever reason majority hate them

[-] ChihuahuaOfDoom@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago

I live in Northern New York so newzjunky.com, they're a right wing rag but one of the few local news sources so I still follow them.

[-] Anticorp@lemmy.world 0 points 2 days ago

I don't follow any news sources, and I'm still over-informed.

[-] Kaboom@reddthat.com 0 points 3 days ago

Tbh, whatever pops up on lemmy for the most part. I'm right wing, it's pretty easy to follow the left and lurk the news communities.

Although, it's not being persuasive, it's more disgusting and horrifying that my fellow human beings think these ways.

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