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This is a genuine question.

I have a hard time with this. My righteous side wants him to face an appropriate sentence, but my pessimistic side thinks this might have set a great example for CEOs to always maintain a level of humanity or face unforseen consequences.

P.S. this topic is highly controversial and I want actual opinions so let's be civil.

And if you're a mod, delete this if the post is inappropriate or if it gets too heated.

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[-] RangerJosie@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago

Hell no. I hope they never find them. Just let it stand. The one who got away.

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[-] stevedice@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 week ago

I also believe he should face an appropriate sentence. What's the sentence for hunting without a licence in NY?

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[-] eran_morad@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago
[-] Etterra@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago

What murderer? There's an alleged person who allegedly may or may not have allegedly done something that allegedly resulted in the alleged death of that CEO. Allegedly.

Unfortunately this is America, and as members of Congress have publicly stated, there's just nothing we can do about domestic gun violence. So even if an alleged person allegedly committed an alleged crime with a firearm, the system's hands are tied.

Oh well. Anyway I'm gonna go eat some cake, since it's all I have.

[-] Sam_Bass@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago

In public sure. Behind closed doors he should hailed for his service to the proletariat

[-] IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Well. I'm not sure.

If it was a politician, probably yes. I don't want supporters of the dead politician start doing revenge shootings.

But a CEO that no one cares about? (well, besides the rich)

🤷‍♂️

I rather him just not getting caught.

BUT: If he's left enough breadcrumbs to be able to get tracked down, then I'd prefer he get caught now rather than later. News about insurances companies doing shitty claim denials are trending, theres a spotlight of evil healthcare practices. This is the best time for him to get the fairest trial.

Put him in front of a jury of his peers. Let them decide his fate.

But remember that:

  1. Jurors cannot be punished for their decision either way.

  2. Once a unanimous "non-guilty" verdict is reached, it cannot be overturned due to "No Double Jeopardy" clause.

Interpret that anyway you wish to. wink wink, nudge nudge.

[-] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 8 points 1 week ago

I believe wrongdoers deserve justice no matter where it comes from. The law is supposed to be a way to achieve that, but if it ceases to achieve that purpose then to hell with it; I prefer incivil justice over civil injustice.

[-] Justas@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 week ago

Even if he gets convicted, he'll be a hero in prison. We've had plenty of serial killers with cult followings, and this person is more dangerous to the establishment out in public.

It's very likely that he would get dealt with in a similar way that Epstein was.

[-] RobotToaster@mander.xyz 7 points 1 week ago

In an ideal system the jury would decide the sentence, and give him one day community service (time served).

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[-] Gammelfisch@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago

Nope, but the shit CEO is the root cause.

[-] P00ptart@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago

I want them to put an effort to find the guy, but ultimately I hope they never catch him. This dude is a hero, even if not for what he did, but the fear that he instilled in evil executives. It's much bigger than just the one guy. It's already made blue cross/blue shield change a fucked up policy. Even if this type of vigilante justice never happens again, the possibility of it must be in the back of every executives mind, and that alone should be enough to make the world slightly better. Even if just a little.

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[-] Sasha@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I don't want him prosecuted, but not because I think killing people is good or forgivable (though it couldn't really happen to a better person) but because the criminal justice system is awful, especially in the US.

If the death penalty is on the table, then I don't think I need to explain why that's bad, but I fundamentally disagree with imprisonment. I'm no expert, but there are better ways to handle harm and justice, and I feel the current system is unjustifiably evil in it's treatment of convicts.

I should probably point out that I'm not making a judgement about what he's done. More that depending on the context and why he's done this, there will need to be a different more nuanced response than the judicial system is capable of.

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[-] MellowYellow13@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago

Why in the fuck would I?

[-] ericbomb@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago

I am a pacifist, and I recognize the danger of encouraging/pardoning vigilantism. There are people I feel are heroes, who others view as villains. People should argue, debate, and put pressure as much as possible with non violence... but that is clearly not working for the ultra wealthy who are so insulated from 99.9% of what we can do.

The murdered man was, even by US capitalist standards, excessively evil. In a functioning and just system he would have had life in prison with no chance of parole for 1000+ counts of at the very least man slaughter for the millions of people whose health care was delayed or prevented. The world is a slightly better place without that level of extreme greed and heartlessness in it.

I also feel like the main point of prison "SHOULD" be Prevention and Rehabilitation. Which if the Attacker was personally harmed by a CEO and lashed out, I don't think prison can accomplish either for him. I guess the US gov probably disagrees and thinks he should be rehabilitated as someone who is okay with being exploited by CEOs.

But I do want all evidence laid out, I want a jury to determine if he's unhinged and a danger to others, or someone who was hurt on a fundamental level and lashed out. We of course assume it's the second one, but we don't know yet.

Juries and judges will sometimes use the kid gloves when dealing with people who kill their abusers, and I think a light sentence with the message of "murder is wrong... but so is allowing thousands to die to increase profits. So maybe don't be so evil people wouldn't mind giving up 10 years of their lives to see you removed from this world" would be fine.

... but also if this becomes another one of a million unsolved cases, I won't lose a wink of sleep about it.

[-] yamanii@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago
[-] ipkpjersi@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 week ago

No. He did a heroic act and should not be punished.

[-] kaffiene@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago

Yes. I have no sympathy for the CEO but murder is still murder

[-] naught101@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Is it though? The US still has the death penalty, and the person who commits those killings just gets paid and goes home.

And none of those people of death row are responsible for even a small fraction of the evil private health insurers are capable of.

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[-] inv3r510n@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago

Then he should of already faced the death penalty for the thousands (millions?) of deaths he caused.

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