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I know accelerationism is wrong, but honestly, I feel like Americans deserve a taste of fascism and imperial misrule. The Democrats are way too competent in their evil—cold, calculated, and insidious. At least with Trump and the Republicans, the evil is blatant, in your face, and easier to hate. I want Trump to gut NATO from within. I want him to tariff the U.S. into the ground. I want him to drive the usbeconomy straight off a cliff. I’m at the point where I want this whole rotten system to collapse under its own internal contradictions. The world would be better off without the U.S. pulling the strings everywhere.

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[–] geolaw@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 15 hours ago

This is Trump's second term. They have had a taste and they asked for more

[–] cfgaussian@lemmygrad.ml 15 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

I don't really buy into the idea of "accelerationism". I mean what could you possibly do that would lead to a faster collapse than is already happening? The US is heading for a lot of unrest in the near future, this is becoming increasingly clear. More so now that you have someone like Trump in charge who will behave like a bull in a china shop, he will do some massively stupid shit sooner or later that will provoke a reaction from the population.

You know Democrats have always been much better at suppressing unrest, demobilizing the working class and putting people back to sleep ("back to brunch"). Republicans tend to create a lot of resentment because they overplay their hand, like they did with the abortion ban...i think that radicalized a lot of people.

Also you have the fact that the economic problems are going to keep piling on, and the ruling class is having more and more trouble keeping the lid on, keeping the population from realizing how badly they're being fucked over and who is to blame. It is getting borderline impossible to hide the fact that other countries are doing much better. The whole TikTok ban/Rednote migration phenomenon showed that it just isn't feasible anymore to try and keep an entire population controlled in that way.

Then you had the whole Luigi incident, and more than the incident itself the reaction of the US population to it was an ominous sign to say the least if you are a member of the ruling class. I don't know exactly what the future has in store for the US but i know it's definitely going to be some interesting times. History is back with a vengeance.

[–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 22 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Whether we like it or not, it is a fact that the collapse of the American system is not a linear decline but a transformation of accumulated quantitative failures into a qualitatively new phase of irreversible crisis. Decades of neglected contradictions have now reached a critical mass threatening to overwhelm the system’s capacity to function.

For years, the US has deferred addressing foundational issues, treating them as isolated problems rather than interconnected symptoms of a failing system. Some examples include stagnant wages, over a trillion in student debt, and over half of households living paycheck to paycheck. The American Society of Civil Engineers gives US infrastructure a C- rating, with failures like the 2021 Texas power grid collapse becoming increasingly common. Life expectancy continues to decline, and there's a mental health crisis exacerbated by privatized healthcare. Public schools are severely underfunded, and so on. Meanwhile, prison and military budgets continue to balloon. These are not discrete issues but compounding stressors that amplify each other.

It seems that the convergence of these problems has finally passed a threshold where the whole becomes greater than the sum of its parts. Corporate profiteering and wage stagnation render basic needs like housing and healthcare unaffordable. Trust in government is at historic lows as a result of the standard of living collapsing. Polarization and alienation drive far-right radicalization, while mutual aid networks attempt to replace state support.

This is no longer business as usual, it's a phase change where the contradictions of the system can no longer be contained by reforms or rhetoric. The qualitative shift triggers a feedback loop that causes disintegration to continue to accelerate. Opportunists like Biden and Trump exploit desperation, channelling rage into nihilistic policies that deepen inequality. The Jan 6 riots show that large numbers of people increasingly see the whole system as being illegitimate. Meanwhile, corporations continue to double down on exploitation, union busting, and tax evasion that further immiserate the working class. The "solutions" that the policy makers come up with, like austerity and increased privatization, only worsen these problems.

I'd argue that the US has reached a point of no return. Unlike past crises like 2008 recession or stagflation in the 70s, there is no New Deal or neoliberal pivot that can restore stability. The scale of collapse requires radical restructuring, which the capitalist system is structurally incapable of delivering.

The empire is in a terminal phase where collapse fuels further collapse. The only exit is fundamental change that requires dismantling of the capitalist order. The transformation from quantity to quality is complete, what emerges next depends on who seizes the moment.

[–] darkcalling@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

The scale of collapse requires radical restructuring, which the capitalist system is structurally incapable of delivering.

Which makes me think a pivot to the gloved fist and truncheon is more likely. A pivot to what might be called fascism and a dropping of the facade of liberal democracy.

It may very well be that they've decided that the charade of liberal democracy cannot sustain them much longer so perhaps we'll get permanent locking out of Democrats from power so corralled progressives in the US will be discontent but shrug it off as a dictatorship they can't do much about while the hooting chuds of the Republican party, the proud reactionaries will celebrate and be happy to step up to use violence to maintain this hold even as conditions worsen because they have that Protestant Slave Mentality (falsely called a "work ethic") and thus allow the bourgeoisie to cling on to power longer.

It's a move of desperation obviously but I think in a reactionary place like the US with such low class consciousness combined with the historical high of power of all natures (military violence, finance, domestic/international spying, etc) that they could keep such an naked reactionary dictatorship going longer than the ~10 years the Nazis held power.

Fascism does allow the radicalization to be directed towards maintaining capital and empire and sadly with how reactionary many young people, especially young men in the west are becoming in our alienating, atomized society I think that's probably the way things go in the US and those people will hold true to such a decaying order and can keep the US under their boot for several decades.

[–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 22 hours ago

I think it's too early to tell which way things go right now. Mask off fascism is certainly a possibility and a lot of the same trends that happened in Germany in the 30s, such as union busting, jailing labor organizers, and so on, could certainly be on the table.

[–] darkcalling@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

Also you have the fact that the economic problems are going to keep piling on, and the ruling class is having more and more trouble keeping the lid on, keeping the population from realizing how badly they’re being fucked over and who is to blame. It is getting borderline impossible to hide the fact that other countries are doing much better. The whole TikTok ban/Rednote migration phenomenon showed that it just isn’t feasible anymore to try and keep an entire population controlled in that way.

Then you had the whole Luigi incident, and more than the incident itself the reaction of the US population to it was an ominous sign to say the least if you are a member of the ruling class. I don’t know exactly what the future has in store for the US but i know it’s definitely going to be some interesting times. History is back with a vengeance.

I mean it is to a degree, much more so than they've managed. They just need better information/narrative control and they're currently pushing through some things which could be preludes to a more sweeping kind of control that to say nothing of the obvious fact the Tiktok ban over Palestine was obviously an information control thing. And there are people among them saying this, the Republicans especially the real interventionist ghouls but also some Democrats who after all pushed the whole narrative of Russian disinfo and bot farms stealing an election for Trump and all the consent for suppression that created among the populace.

It may be too late to put the genie back in the bottle but they can definitely suppress it by passing sweeping bans on Chinese apps, by building a US firewall, by banning Chinese media, by forcing Google/Apple to remove these things from their app stores globally to suppress them globally, by forcing ISPs to block access to such resources over the web and so on. The talk of this piracy blocking for instance would create the first real system in the US that could be easily with the flip of a switch repurposed to block anything labeled "disinformation" by the newly created department of American Patriotism (or whatever the Democrats would name it).

What might sabotage such plans is in-fighting of course. I don't think the Republicans can necessarily resist abusing such a mechanism once created to not do some level of suppression of liberal Democrat thinking and causes, probably only a little, probably mainly fringe stuff the party officials themselves waffle on or condemn on a surface level but it's enough to anger the populace and wake up some portion of them.

But information control is coming to the fore. All the proclamations of an open internet and freedom bringing prosperity dropped inf favor of fearful rhetoric of foreigners, or manipulation, of contamination, of theft of American money via piracy, etc, etc.

[–] cfgaussian@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago)

Yeah i get all of that, i'm not saying they aren't going to do their best to try to control the information space. And they will succeed to a degree. But i find that the mistake that the imperial elites usually make, is that they don't expect the people they're trying to do stuff to, to actually react and not just take it lying down.

I mean the whole story around TikTok still hasn't played out yet, we'll have to wait and see how it ends, but i think that already the attempt to corral everyone back onto Meta platforms has somewhat blown up in their faces, particularly when it comes to young people.

Another example of this kind of hubris and inability to imagine their enemies as actors in their own right is how they were so convinced they would be able to bring Russia to its knees with sanctions. They seem to have convinced themselves that Russia wouldn't fight back.

I think the same is true to some degree for the American people, as indoctrinated as they are - yes many of them will fall for one or another propaganda narrative, but i think even more, across the political spectrum even, will be very skeptical, and many will even be radicalized by such heavy handed attempts to control them. They may be un-educated or mis-educated but people as a whole - this is true for any country - aren't stupid.

What i see is that a lot of them, across a pretty broad political spectrum, are just very disillusioned with the establishment. (I'm referring here to working class people, not the well-off upper middle classes.) They don't trust the media anymore, they certainly don't trust the government, and they despise people like Zuckerberg, Gates, Bezos, and even increasingly Musk himself, whose fan club of weirdo ass-kissers really seems to be shrinking these days.

I don't know, i guess i'm just sort of an optimist about these things, and maybe that is rooted in what i observe in the spaces that i pay attention to (which admittedly are not necessarily representative of the whole population), or maybe that is a choice that we can consciously make, to not give in to despair and not let the ruling class intimidate us into defeatism.

[–] cimbazarov@lemmygrad.ml 16 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I mean alot of the people who will suffer are not the ones who have committed the evil of the empire.

But what sucks is you are still kind of right. There is no path I see to a revolution where the material conditions are comfy for the masses. Revolutions happen when the oppressed can longer stand their oppression. I don't know what the theory behind accelerationism is any further than material conditions getting rapidly worse creating a revolution. The system under the democrats was what seemed like a boiling frog situation. We were going to destroy human civilization while exploiting the rest of the world with a moral guise. And because of how the system individuates and pushes us towards consumption to alleviate our alienation, I never thought it could result in any meaningful revolution. Ironically it's the fascists that changed this slow decline, but by replacing it with a faster one.

I do think accelerationism, or maybe just a small taste of accelerationism, is what gets us to build an actual socialist future.

[–] Commiejones@lemmygrad.ml 39 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Accelerationism is purposefully making conditions worse in the hope that it will spur revolution. Hoping people suffer the effects of their shitty decisions isn't the same thing. Looking forward to the time when the working class will open up to class consciousness because of their deteriorating conditions is not accelerationism.

The death of american hegemony is a good thing regardless of how many people in america will suffer. Blaming the working class for their own suffering is wrong though. It is only partly their fault for trusting the ruling class. (fool me once shame on you)

Don't feel bad for feeling bitter. I think we all deserve to feel bitter that the working class are ignorant and blind to their own interests, just as long as we don't get truly spiteful. When the suffering really hits I trust your resentment will fade and you'll get to work agitating and organizing. Until then muttering and cursing maybe the only way to keep going.

[–] freagle@lemmygrad.ml 11 points 1 day ago

This, exactly. Accelerationism is a material process in society. You can participate in it if you try. But just thinking thoughts and feelings feels is not accelerationism.

[–] GreatSquare@lemmygrad.ml 20 points 1 day ago

🧚 Your wish is granted!

You can't accelerate beyond terminal velocity and when the wings have already come off, Trump can move the joystick whichever direction he likes and it's largely irrelevant. The economic problems are fundamental and Trump tariffs are meant to SOLVE them but they won't.

American goods are too expensive. How can America service its debt? Other countries aren't going to buy American stuff. In most cases they're already dealing with inflation AND their own currencies are falling.

[–] maodun@lemmygrad.ml 26 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I wrote a bunch of stuff (mostly going, "same", venting) but then scrapped it. It's important to remember why accelerationism is the wrong path. (Although I have to question whether "acceleration" that is self-inflicted by the state should still be called something that is usually describing non-state actors. Like... we didnt do that.)

Actively creating worsening conditions to spur more people to become radicalized cannot guarantee to which end(s) they become radicalized towards. And beyond people being radicalized towards fascism, Yes, communists in the imperial core can often (or are forced to) collaborate with anarchists but at the end of the day most of anarchist actions are not towards building material conditions to a sounder future (beyond their immediate locale anyway, and also if they even have any consideration towards organized ahem arms) and most anarchists particularly the anti-reading type are vehemently anti-communist (although I have met rare ones who do read and largely agree with AES).