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[–] Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works 95 points 6 days ago (6 children)

This actually makes sense, once you understand what their problem is with communism.

You see, they have no problem with all the benefits that communism offers... What bothers them is the idea that those benefits would be given to people who haven't earned it.

Heaven, to them, is a reward. Only the pure, the righteous, the faithful get to enjoy its benefits. Heaven only works for them if they imagine that they will be able to look down and see hell.

A heaven for everyone, with no walls, no gates, no pitiful outcasts scrabbling to get in... That's no heaven at all.

[–] miraclerandy@lemmy.world 19 points 6 days ago (3 children)

You’re not wrong about the reward being earned. That’s definitely the unspoken part of it.

When I grew up religious, the conversion was that communism was a bastardization of god’s plan, so it’s inherently evil. Basically, it cannot be as pure and perfect with men in charge so it will fail every time.

You’d think they’d want to try and be more like their god and his plan for their heaven but they just reject it.

[–] Doctor_Satan@lemm.ee 7 points 6 days ago

They believe that only God can be the one to create paradise on earth. A primary pillar of their faith requires earth to be in a constant state of suffering until then.

[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 5 points 6 days ago (1 children)

You’re not wrong about the reward being earned. That’s definitely the unspoken part of it.

It's also heretic AF. As in: It directly contradicts Orthodox, Catholic, and Lutheran, doctrine, all for different reasons.

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[–] seeigel@feddit.org 19 points 6 days ago (1 children)
[–] ksigley@lemm.ee 8 points 6 days ago

Interesting read. Thank you.

[–] dejected_warp_core@lemmy.world 16 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Heaven only works for them if they imagine that they will be able to look down and see hell.

See, this is the part I can't get behind. An eternity of that disparity with even the smallest scrap of empathy would eventually be unending torment. Every day is just more "oh yeah, hell is a thing and I can't do anything about it..."

Fr, I knew for fact that there was something deeply fucked up about "The Good Place" in the TV show bearing the same name when Janet played Eleanor a short clip of sound from the Bad Place.

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[–] MITM0@lemmy.world 7 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Right wing politics can be summed up as: Exclusive & Sadism

[–] DonJefe@lemmy.world 11 points 6 days ago

If working all your life for a regime does not earn you the benefits of that regime, I don't know what will in their minds

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[–] Muaddib@sopuli.xyz 23 points 6 days ago (12 children)

Me listening to tankies describe communism as a moneyless, stateless, classless world, then criticise anarchism

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[–] RedFrank24@lemmy.world 15 points 6 days ago (3 children)

What if heaven is just whatever you need heaven to be? Like, what if it's just a temporary state of affairs? You enter Heaven, and it is exactly what you need to be at peace with your death and your life before that. Then, when you're ready, after however much time you need, you can decide to move on and stop existing, or send your soul to be reincarnated.

[–] Charzard4261@programming.dev 8 points 6 days ago (3 children)

This is similar to what Rick Riordan (author of Percy Jackson) suggests in one of his other works - that the afterlife is simply whatever you believe it to be. It's pretty comforting imo.

[–] Muaddib@sopuli.xyz 7 points 6 days ago

The gods of the Disc have never bothered much about judging the souls of the dead, and so people only go to hell if that’s where they believe, in their deepest heart, that they deserve to go. Which they won’t do if they don’t know about it. This explains why it is important to shoot missionaries on sight.

[–] RedFrank24@lemmy.world 4 points 6 days ago

Personally I wouldn't like it to be what you believe it to be, rather what you need it to be. Some people don't know what they need until they have it. You can believe that Heaven is endless sitting in a circle and piling devotion upon God, but if that isn't actually going to help you be at peace, then what good is it gonna do you? How is a baby going to form a belief of what their afterlife is?

No, I reckon Heaven ought to be what you need, not what you want. I want my afterlife to be me being a series of Isekai protagonists in my favourite fictional universes because I secretly want to feel clever and powerful and knowledgeable about things to come, but indulging me probably isn't the best way to put me at peace.

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Watch The Good Place.

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[–] mrodri89@lemmy.zip 8 points 5 days ago

Can we just have tiny villages where we tell ghost stories and just all contribute to each other's well being?

[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 27 points 6 days ago (3 children)

I asked one “so when do I actually die?” and they couldn’t comprehend that I didn’t want to exist forever

[–] Blindsite@lemmy.today 6 points 5 days ago (8 children)

Problem is real world communism always ends up as authoritarian dictatorships.

[–] zwekihoyy@lemmy.ml 7 points 5 days ago

it's almost like American imperialism has made sure that any attempt has failed by economic and military disruption and injecting dictators with the goal of dissuading others from trying.

the second there's a success story western capitalism becomes unnecessary and a better system comes into view.

[–] AHuman2@lemm.ee 3 points 5 days ago

Also communist economy is impossible to implement since there is no all knowing god to fuck all the people siphoning the money out via corruption. Communism is great if you can remove humans from the equation. Mofo humans fuck every system up, we are the problem.

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[–] doingthestuff@lemy.lol 9 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Heaven is described as being populated by perfected people, not by their own doing.. The world we live in is populated by selfish people primarily. Hell even toddlers are selfish. It's a redefinition of human nature. Whether or not it's a fantasy, it would actually make it work flawlessly.

[–] volvoxvsmarla@lemm.ee 13 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I know that's not your point, I just want to point out that toddlers aren't selfish as much as they just haven't developed empathy yet, as a sense of empathy usually only develops after the 4th birthday. The golden rule just doesn't work for toddlers, they can't put themselves in someone else's shoes and imagine how they feel. There's a riddle/test with a doll and a closet that illustrates this well.

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[–] LengAwaits@lemmy.world 5 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Cooperation and sharing are just as much "human nature" as selfishness. We contain lots of "natural" impulses, but people will prioritize and grow into those impulses which society most rewards.

[–] Petter1@lemm.ee 4 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Yea, and pure capitalism rewards assholes the most…

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