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[–] Brunbrun6766@lemmy.world 136 points 1 week ago (4 children)

"I am bought and paid for by the Israeli government"

[–] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 29 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

He's also completely failing at this task. His job is to keep neoliberals (e.g. the average corporate brainwashed Democrat) pro-Israel.

[–] NobodyElse@sh.itjust.works 20 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Literally admitting loyalty to a foreign government.

[–] sporkler@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago

and that he's disregarding his constituents concerns while admittedly attempting to social-engineer acceptance for it.

[–] massive_bereavement@fedia.io 9 points 1 week ago

But first, a word from my sponsor today, the IDF.

[–] TomMasz@lemmy.world 90 points 1 week ago (1 children)

His job is to represent the people of NY in the Senate.

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 50 points 1 week ago

Which he's been doing piss poor at, of course.

[–] Nougat@fedia.io 82 points 1 week ago (3 children)

While there are certainly shitty, bigoted reasons to be anti-Israel, there are a fuckton more undeniably good reasons to be anti-Israel.

[–] samus12345@lemm.ee 22 points 1 week ago (3 children)

The distinction is hating the government specifically. It's unlikely a bigot would hate the government, but not the people.

[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 22 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

The distinction is hating the fascist ideology (zionism) specifically.

There are anti-zionists within the regime trying to make improvements.

https://tribunemag.co.uk/2024/11/anti-zionist-israeli-mp-i-will-never-surrender

Although it seems extremely unlikely, the government could be reformed or replaced. But (like any form of fascism) the genocidal, supremacist, colonial ideology of zionism is irredeemable.

[–] Chocrates@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago

Right? I have no problem with Judaism, Israel is what I have a problem with.

[–] yunxiaoli@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 week ago (2 children)

No I also hate all zionist israelis. Nazi germany would've ended overnight had just a large plurality of workers stopped supporting the military. But it was the 1940s, there was no way they could know the horrors of the holocaust.

Israel would end within a week of a national strike by israeli citizens, and they can't even claim ignorance like nazi civilians could have. The truth is a majority of israelis support zionism and support the regime despite having all information available.

Hating the people is okay too. As long as you're hating them for the content of their character, not their nationality or other immutable characteristic.

[–] belastend@slrpnk.net 15 points 1 week ago

Most germans knew about the deportations, the torture and murder.

It wasnt just the jews that disappeared, but also your grocer, who was active in the KPD or your former village mayor, who belonged to the SPD or your friend, who made a joke on the tram and got executed.

My grandparents and great-grandparents knew. Just like zionist israelis.

[–] samus12345@lemm.ee 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Hating the government implies also hating the people who support the government.

[–] yunxiaoli@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Its not just the government, though, the ideology itself is inherently evil. Anyone that's a zionist is objectively a bad person.

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[–] nfreak@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The Christian nationalist fascists love Israel not just because of their warmongering, genocide, and apartheid, but also because they think its existence keeps Jewish people off in their own country away from everyone else.

It sounds contradictory, but the vast majority of support for Israel is literally rooted in antisemitism.

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[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 60 points 1 week ago (3 children)

It's so cute when liberals think that they're leftists.

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[–] Sektor@lemmy.world 49 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 72 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Becau$e.

Disclaimer in case it's necessary:Not meant to invoke an antisemitic trope, meant to point out a reality of American politics in general and Schumer in particular. Him being Jewish has nothing to do with his greed, but him being a corrupt politician does.

[–] Sektor@lemmy.world 39 points 1 week ago (1 children)

You are not antisemitic just because you are anti genocide.

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 25 points 1 week ago (1 children)

My point exactly.

Some ACTUAL antisemites believe or pretend to believe all sorts of tropes about "inherently greedy jews", though, so felt the need to distance myself from that kind of nonsense just in case someone got the wrong idea 🤷

[–] lordnikon@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago

Also nation states are not a people the Jewish people are not to blame just because they are Jewish. Only the actions of the few people in their government and the people that support them. Them being Jewish has nothing to do with it.

[–] inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world 47 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (5 children)

Why is it so fucking hard for American Idiots to understand that the Jewish people =/= Israel and its government.

[–] mindaika@lemmy.dbzer0.com 23 points 1 week ago

It’s not. That type of thinking just works with the narrative, whether it’s conflating “Israel” and “Jews,” or “Men” and “rapists,” or “Blacks” and criminals, or Muslims and terrorists. The point is to make it impossible to argue with anything said

[–] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago

because the pro-israeli lobby has spent millions, billions even, on trying to corrupt the discourse so that any criticism of israel is inherently linked to antisemitism, and tens of millions of people, if not more, have bought into that social engineering and believe deeply that criticizing israel is literally worse than anything hitler did.

[–] DreaddyMck@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Marketing conflates the two, not much we can do.

[–] billwashere@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

It’s not marketing. It’s a targeted campaign to intertwine the two… oh wait yeah it’s marketing 🤣

[–] shawn1122@lemm.ee 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Israel's 1948 Declaration of Independence states the nation was founded on the "national and historic right of the Jewish people"

Israel's 2018 Basic Law constitutionally enshrined the state as the "nation-state of the Jewish people," granting exclusive national self-determination to Jews, prioritizing Jewish settlement as a "national value", designating Hebrew as the sole official language (with Arabic demoted to "special status"), affirming Jerusalem as the capital, and guaranteeing Jewish immigration rights.

This may be why people conflate the two. Israel has defined itself as Jewish state.

As Mo Amer says, it's a marketing issue.

[–] billwashere@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I mean how is it much different than “I hate Trump and Elon” but I don’t hate Americans .. (well I am an American but still).

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[–] TheBat@lemmy.world 40 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Imagine a French politician saying my job is to keep my constituency pro-Japan (or any other country).

[–] tiredofsametab@fedia.io 15 points 1 week ago

I live in Japan and plan to retire here and I'd still say 'wtf are you doing?!'

[–] EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com 36 points 1 week ago

Then you have failed. Quit trying to make it happen, we aren't going to support a genocidal regime.

[–] RymrgandsDaughter@lemmy.world 22 points 1 week ago

Like I've said before, I've never been more disgusted with Zionists and Israel. The fact that his goofy ass is sucking off Netanyahu in the background just makes me pissed off like nothing else. I've literally only been using bluesky to ask him to Resign

[–] OldChicoAle@lemmy.world 20 points 1 week ago

It's literally not

[–] adm@lemm.ee 15 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Lefty here. Fuck Israel. Judaism is cool though. Praise YHWH. Looking forward to Passover with my friends this year. Fuck the modern state of Israel.

[–] 4oreman@lemy.lol 14 points 1 week ago

your job is to stfu and gtfo

[–] tacofox@lemm.ee 13 points 1 week ago
[–] nkat2112@sh.itjust.works 12 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I wonder if that quote could cause him to face the consequences he deserves at some point in the future.

That person is such a disappointment.

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[–] iAvicenna@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] deathbird@mander.xyz 9 points 1 week ago

It'd probably be easier if there wasn't a radical right wing government there.

[–] madcnt@lemm.ee 4 points 1 week ago

It’s the worst thing you can say. And the old man said it

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