What a wild time to be alive
Welcome to the fuck america club
Leave your guns at the door
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I was imaging this meme just last week, while my wife finished renewing her Italian passport and stuffing a bugout bag full of Euros.
Until we undo capitalism, we are going to have these 80 year cycles
I mean, the cycle started with the implementation of capitalism. Italy was functionally feudalistic (particularly in the southern territories) until the mid-19th century, with state power relegated to a hodgepodge of principalities. It's only really been a unified country since 1870 and lagged on industrialization until the Cold War Era, when the US Marshall Plan made it an industrial and shipping beachhead for NATO-bloc manufacturing and trade (as well as a military base to strike out at North Africa and the Middle East).
The waves of Italian immigrants weren't fleeing capitalism. They were fleeing the two World Wars and the industrial collapse of Europe. Americans, by contrast, won't experience the same immediate socio-economic pressures to leave. So I suspect a lot of the reverse-migration we'll see to Italy will be coming from an American wealthy middle class seeking to retire into a post-industrial retirement playground rather than an Italian underclass seeking gainful employment and safety from chronic civil wars and invasions.
Italy is going to be more like Florida in the 1990s than New Jersey in the 1920s.
Uruguay has a pretty easy system you can make a request of residence and it seems that usually go through. Americans do not need a visa to come but if you prepare the paperwork is easier..
Tell me more about Uruguay. What's irs like over there, standard of living etc.
A quick scan of Wikipedia shows there's an actual left wing party currently in power that was formerly led by a guerilla fighter during the military occupation of the country in the 80s
As well they legalized abortions in 2012 and weed and same sex marriage in 2013
It's got a 3 branch government similar to America
Economy seems stable, Internet seems good.
Guess it's time to start learning Portuguese or Spanish!
The left wing party is not led by a former guerrila fighter but said one Jose Mujica was president yes here the president is important yes but not the all powerful figure. That was in the 70s (the guerrilla thing) and they all admitted that doing a revolution was not the best answer to the political trumoil. Also the militia coup was backed by Nixon so there is that.
And it's Spanish the official language.
I did say formerly. The first president of the current party was a guerilla fighter.
Do you mean the military leadership of the 80s was backed by Nixon or the group that overthrew them?
The guerrilla in fact failed to overthrow them when Reagan came and pulled out the cord all dictatorship regimes started falling like dominoes. This one especially felt that they could get the peaceful way out and they did a referendum they lost by a wide margin and they stepped down. Now the guerrilla group formed a coalition with other left leaning groups and they made the Frente Amplio (translates to "wide front") and that's why I made the distiction of being the president and led as they are a coalition the direction they take is usually decided by the "plenario" which is an internal gathering where they debate vote and decide, so they have an internal president but they act more of an organizer rather than the decision makers. It's not a perfect system but well it works in it's own way. IMO FA is more like the French Socialist party and the Japanese LDP rather than the US democrats. The good news for fediverse ppl is that they are very pro queer and progressive. Also they are very pro democracy in fact the dictatorship regime here is considered a far right one.
Best option on Latin America on pretty much any standard. Progressive laws, good weather - main negative thing I can think of is that rent can be quite expensive. I've considered moving there in the past but my Spanish is awful.
Pretty on point really although there are some govt initatives to help. Hell in enough ppl comes over at once you can start a cooperative and build your own houses. Also the mayority speaks some basics almost 15% of ppl speaks first level English with a 5% that basically manages complete. Many places do have English speaking personnel even.
Fascism is on the rise in Europe too so maybe go to Japan or something
yes, the country famous for being accepting of foreigners, that is also known for a high standard of living...
ok then move to mars, final offer
The far-right in Europe seems to have lost momentum a bit-- for now. The far-right parties in government in Sweden and Netherlands proved themselves incompetent and lost support. The support on German AfD stagnated. Meloni has shown to be more moderate than expected (well, not quite but that's a long story). And Le Pen has been prosecuted, but I think this is not enough to actually kill the French far-right movement so long as the French government still practice neoliberal policies. But I think the major factor that made Europeans think twice now about gravitating towards fascism is after witnessing the shit show in America and Musk's overt election interference in Europe. I should not be laughing, but what a laugh the three months of Trump administration has been!
Incompetence, it seems, is what is valued here in America to go up the ranks.
I will be honest, I thought that Trump will continue with his fascist-adjacent/fascist-lite policies from his first term. Looks like in this term, he is out for vengeance and doubled down!
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As a Japanese, I think Japan has always been a fascists' country. The flavor of nazism did change from German one to American one after WW2, though
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