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[–] squirrel@lemmy.blahaj.zone 70 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

Yes, unconscionable opponents will always resort to violence, but people seriously underestimate the power of strikes. If an entire society comes to a halt because people refuse to keep it going, the power of authoritarians dwindles away. No dictatorship can control a complicated, modern society of millions of people through violence alone. That's why they have always been worried by an organized workers' movement and unions.

[–] A_norny_mousse@feddit.org 19 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Thank you!

This is a good quote, but I think the person in the picture (who?) was refering to a specific type of non-violent protest/opposition.

Also, it's all in the numbers. You can carry away 100 protesters, but can you carry away 10 000?

So yeah, the sane people of the US cannot "appeal" to something that isn't there - they need to do the math, find the point of leverage, and apply pressure.

[–] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] A_norny_mousse@feddit.org 6 points 2 weeks ago

Thanks. Stokely is an amazing first name.

[–] yesman@lemmy.world 12 points 2 weeks ago

You're assuming wide popular opposition. Kwame Ture was advocating for minority rights in an era where popular movements were often lynch mobs.

[–] NeilBru@lemmy.world 7 points 2 weeks ago

Wildcat strikes are de wei.

[–] svcg@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 2 weeks ago

Ah, but you underestimate the power of having union ringleaders tortured to death.

[–] takeda@lemm.ee 24 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

That's a valid point, but people demonstrating still helps. Looks like it motivate some politicians to also act, and motivates more people.

[–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 19 points 2 weeks ago

people need to know they're not alone before they can act

[–] lugal@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 weeks ago

Non violent action is still more effective than no action at all

[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 13 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

It's not necessarily your opponent who has to have a conscience. Sometimes it can be people they depend on.

Like, with Gandhi, the British Empire didn't really have a conscience. But, there were reporters present, and they reported on what happened. The story got out to regular people in Britain, to regular people in India, and to people worldwide. The British empire knew that if they let Gandhi die, India would erupt, other countries would boycott them, etc.

[–] Muaddib@sopuli.xyz 10 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

In order for nonviolence to work, you or your allies have to implicitly threaten violence

[–] DarkDarkHouse 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I don't know, non-violent work strikes can be effective.

[–] Verdorrterpunkt@feddit.org 1 points 2 weeks ago

I've heard traffic blockades for climate protests classified as violent, i am sure any work strikes could be classified in a similar manner.

[–] toy_boat_toy_boat@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

yet here you are with your signs and your pageants and your slogans. true america.

[–] miss_demeanour@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

You just wait until I wear my pink shirt and wave my auction paddle!

[–] toy_boat_toy_boat@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago

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[–] lugal@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Who is this? I feel like I know the face but I can't put my finger on who it is

[–] yesman@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Stokely Carmichael aka Kwame Ture. Big pan-Africanist activist.