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The question is dishonest. The real question should be, "Do you support checking that every woman in women's sports is actually a woman?" Because that's the reality of what is happening. Just to try to find that 0.001% that are actually trans. It's an attack on women's sports as much as it's an attack on trans people.
I've seen more examples of women 'mistaken' for men and being harassed than I've seen examples of actual trans athletes being banned.
Most Americans need to stop being so hateful.
Full agree. But this has also been a campaign just hursting to the brim with dishonest facts or straight up malicious lies thats been foing on for over a decade. And then actual facts are suppressed while at the same time our society constantly pushes aen are superior, especially in sports, rhetoric. So it isnt common knowledge and its why you see even lgtbq+ allies say trans women shouldnt be in womens sport. Less so these days, but still. Its all spawned from hate, but Im not sure everyone who agrees is hateful as much as they have been tricked.
just going to share that Last Week Tonight episode, it covers the territory on this pretty well: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=flSS1tjoxf0
what a bizarre nonissue for nearly everyone polled
It's used as a spearhead issue to warm people up to the idea of excluding trans folk from public life. Here's prominent transphobe activist Helen Joyce admitting it publicly:
About 3 in 4 Gen Z men (72%) say transgender women should not be allowed to play female sports, compared with about half of young women (56%).
Considering one of the main reasons provided for a ban on trans women is that it will hurt women, it's interesting how women support trans women in sports more than men.
Notable at the very bottom is a disclaimer suggesting they just ran a SurveyMonkey poll for nine days and only had less than 20,000 validated votes. That's hardly "Most Americans" considering there are over 340 million people living in the US right now. 
I guess it's my turn to point out that through statistics, you only need a sample size of 1067 to survey a population of 340 million with a confidence level of 95% and a 3% margin of error. In general, you can survey a small number of people for even very large populations, and return useful results. This idea can be played with using any sample size calculator online.
It is also my duty to say that the adequacy of this sample size would be predicated on the sampled population being representative of the overall population. For online polls of this nature, it's likely but not a certainty that the sampled population is not representative.
professional sports exists mostly to distract from the economic conditions of actual cost of living crisis and the fact that 1% of americans owns 33% of the wealth.
so, who tf cares who plays in what team.
tax the rich!
I kinda hate this image, because it implies both sides of this conflict are attacking. The truth is that we are on the defense and even an attack for us would look like legislature to simply life and be left the fuck alone. As oppossed to an attack from the other side where people might actually get murdered.
Has anyone bothered to ask the players and sports officials on their opinions? You know, the very people who base their careers and have unparalleled insight on this sort of thing? Anyone else's thoughts on transgender people in sports should be disregarded IMHO.
Kinda tangential, but this is why I keep ranting about how stupid it is to blame things on "boomers", like when they die we have a eutopia. Some things are a human problem, and this is one of them.
Xeonphobia, at its core, fundamental to humans. We fear the unknown, and deviations from the familiar trigger the same response in our brains and bodies no matter what the baseline for familiar happens to be.
Letting that turn into hate is a choice, and it is not something that everyone in a generation will choose, nor choose to reject. While some bigotry is learned from previous generations, it can't take root without ignorance as fertilizer.
In the case of this bullshit, there's a big barrier to ignorance being limited. Until enough trans women compete at a high level (because, as stupid as it is, it's trans women that really catch the heat on this matter almost exclusively), it takes effort to know that it's bullshit. You have to go and look up records of multiple sports and compare known trans athletes with cis athletes. When that happens, it becomes obvious that it's a false claim because trans women don't dominate when they compete. It just doesn't happen. There's no wave of new world records being owned by trans women when they're allowed to compete, there just isn't.
But good luck getting the average person to go look.
So, because trans women aren't allowed to compete at a visible level, baseless claims end up being parroted because the vast majority of humanity just takes what they're told about anything and swallows it because they think that if it's said publicly, the claim must be true. If it validates an already present fear or belief, even better!
It's paradox; you can't destroy ignorance without presence, and you can't gain presence without destroying ignorance.
Hell, there's even simple answer to it. Just let people compete as their confirmed gender, and if it turns out there's a wave of pwning that happens, put an asterisk next to the records and figure out a way for everyone to have the ability to enjoy their competitive sport on a balanced footing (the way we do with weight classes in combat sports, as an example) at that point.
But, no, people just aren't willing to accept that what they think isn't automatically right.
Press X to doubt. I for one think that all women should be allowed to play women's sports. I also think most sports should be co-ed and have logical divisions, like weightlifting
I’m not familiar with the weightlifting system, but I’m assuming it’s similar to the divisions in Trackmania COTD. They seem like they could be translated to just about any sport and naturally organize competitors for the fairest and closest matchups which also makes for very entertaining viewing.
Just let kids play sports. Does gender at birth even have a larger effect than socioeconomic factors anyways?
I think pretending the playing field started flat is a fallocy.
Interestingly nobody really has a gender at birth. That's usually developed around 2 years old.
It's really scary over here and only going to get worse. I didn't hear a single word for our trans brothers and sisters at the May Day protest I briefly attended. I managed to stomach about thirty minutes of the hour and a half affair, and while the topics of conversation went extensively through everything else Trump had done, like his attacks on migrants, federal workers, and the economy, his attacks on trans rights weren't brought up once.
Guess I now know why. Do not expect the white moderate to do anything to save you, they will abandon the trans community in a heartbeat if they feel like it will let them return to normalcy.
And you wonder why people like me absolutely hate my own generation.